Concealed Carry Bill Makes it through the House in NH[views:16282][posts:103]___________________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 12:14pm - largefreakatzero ""] http://www.theunionleader.com/article.aspx...99e9fb3-af40-40ff-b0f1-e2dbde0ebe3e Basically, the bill proposes if you can legally buy a firearm, you can legally carry concealed without first obtaining a permit from your local chief of police (like we do now). This would make our carry law similar or same as VT. Doesn't really change much for me, I already have my permit. If you have time to read the comments at the bottom, prepare to make your brain hurt -- morons on both sides of the issue. Christ, people are fucking stupid... |
| ______________________________ [Mar 11,2011 1:06pm - Yeti ""] nice, let the people be armed. funny how the nay-sayers always use the "THERE WILL BE MASSACRE'S EVERYWHERE". if anything this will prevent massacres. if a guy runs into an establishment and moves to open fire on everyone, he'll be dead before he starts, considering everyone is armed. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 11,2011 1:23pm - Mutis ""] Yeah, because we have massacres every day in Vermont. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 1:24pm - Alx_Casket ""] I'd be 100% fine with banning firearms across the country. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 1:31pm - largefreakatzero ""] It really wouldn't change anything -- NH currently can't deny you a carry permit if you are legally allowed to purchase/own a gun. Everytime you buy a firearm (for both handguns and long guns), the store has to call in your info to the Feds for a background check -- if you are a convicted felon, then no gun for you. I love the people who commented "O NOES, NOW GANG MEMBERS WILL HAVE SHOOTOUTS IN THE STREETZ!1!!" If "gang members" have guns, they didn't buy them at the local gun shop. Then again, equally moronic comments from the other side as well. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 1:34pm - largefreakatzero ""] Alx_Casket said:I'd be 100% fine with banning firearms across the country. Move to Great Britain, sounds like they have laws that are better suited for you there. Then again, you do live in the correct state for this kind of opinion. I'm not going to bother arguing with you, have a nice day. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 1:36pm - largefreakatzero ""] Mutis said:Yeah, because we have massacres every day in Vermont. THE BLOODSOAKED STREETS OF BURLINGTON |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 1:43pm - Alx_Casket ""] I knew that my comment would spark opposition. I did live in NH before MA, fyi. It's a beautiful state, and while I'm no stranger to shooting guns myself, I don't think it's necessary for civilians to have them. I know that people with guns kill people (not the guns themselves), but generally speaking, a place is safer with no guns. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 1:48pm - largefreakatzero ""] So I suppose that means you're anti-hunting as well? Most of my guns are for hunting, with only 1 handgun that is soley for personal protection. Again, I'm not going to argue with you, best of luck. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 11,2011 1:55pm - Mutis ""] True, a place during peace time is safer with no guns, especially if there are children in the house. And though I am vegan, I support hunting your own game, so long as it's for food, not "fun". I think "personal protection" is a poor excuse to own a gun. But when shit hits the fan, I want to be packing. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 1:55pm - arilliusbm ""] Alx_Casket said:I knew that my comment would spark opposition. I did live in NH before MA, fyi. It's a beautiful state, and while I'm no stranger to shooting guns myself, I don't think it's necessary for civilians to have them. I know that people with guns kill people (not the guns themselves), but generally speaking, a place is safer with no guns. There are pros and cons to both extremities, but we have a "right" to bear arms in this country. Hypothetically speaking, think of it this way: Say if China or some other country decides to invade the US on our soil. Yes, it has never really been done before (sans Pearl Harbor, but that was planned out - I'll save that for another thread) but there is always a possibility of it happening given the world we live in today. So here we have China invading America with their troops marching down our streets, threatening civilians and killing us for the sole reason of being American and not Chinese. How would we fight back? How would we defend our families? With kitchen knives? Fuck that, we need firearms. We can't rely on our military for protection of our civilians any more. We've just broken the 300,000,000 mark for citizens in this country. With the money and funding thrown at the Military Industrial Complex and the compartmentalization of their different offices strewn about, I would rather die with a gun in my hand than a kitchen knife. I'm starting to think that our government cares less and less about your average citizen; this has grown to be evident for those who were in the middle class. It doesn't exist anymore. We are but peons on a large chess board, and the people playing the game don't care if they lose a few pawns. I'm not sure how I feel about citizens owning semi-automatic weapons, but I 100% back our right to own guns. Whether it be pistols, shotguns, or potato launchers. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 1:57pm - Alx_Casket ""] We're not arguing, just discussing the topic. I do not oppose hunting for necessity; I only find fault in reckless killing for "sport." This is just my personal belief though, and I also believe in personal freedom, that you or anyone else can do whatever you want in your own time as long as it doesn't infringe on my quality of life. Thanks for the well wishes, best of luck to you too! |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 2:02pm - Alx_Casket ""] @aril: You really think that if China wanted to attack us, they would send in a human invasion by air or sea? That is crazy talk. Bio/electronic warfare would be more likely to follow after supply trade has been cut off. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 2:06pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] I think "killing people" is a perfect reason to own a gun. Freak, I know you're a big guy, but how do you conceal carry a hunting rifle? Handguns have specific targets in mind - humans. Ever try to kill off that deadly poisonous snake with a .45 from 10 feet? How about a charging rhino with a .22? Nope. Guns are for killing people. People invading your right to life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness. Personal protection? Maybe, but not likely. Invading armies? Maybe, not likely. Looters, rioters, etc.. if the bottom doth truly drop out? Maybe. Point is, I want one. I want to be familiar, accurate, and completely LETHAL with one if I EVER NEED TO BE. "people with guns kill people". NO FUCKING with people with guns gets people killed. There's a big difference in viewpoint there. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 2:09pm - Alx_Casket ""] "FUCKING with people with guns gets people killed." If you're implying that guns are only utilized by rational people who are provoked and have exhausted all their other options to resolve that conflict, then you live in a world full of candy rainbows. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 2:11pm - Sacreligion ""] ITT: Get shot, whine about it. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 2:17pm - largefreakatzero ""] I live in the woods, neighbors are not close by. Someone could easily break a window and come in the house. If they have a firearm, I and my wife are fucked -- except for the fact that I'm armed to the teeth and sleep with a loaded handgun next to my bed. I hunt because I greatly enjoy it, but I do eat everything I kill. As Aril said, citizens can not depend on the government for protection. I don't know about you, but most cops (most, not all) that I've met aren't all that bright, and are the last people I would count on for protection. If someone who is a career criminal wants a gun, they will find a way to get one, regardless of whether firearms are legal are not. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 2:17pm - douchebag_patrol ""] [img] |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 2:22pm - arilliusbm ""] Alx_Casket said:@aril: You really think that if China wanted to attack us, they would send in a human invasion by air or sea? That is crazy talk. Bio/electronic warfare would be more likely to follow after supply trade has been cut off. no. they could also EMP us and render all of our electronics useless. but they have a massive army.. why not send troops over? I was just using it as a hypothetical situation anyway. I was stressing the point that if we had someone marching down our streets (government, aliens, china, canada, etc), we would have to defend our families with something more than a kitchen knife. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 2:24pm - largefreakatzero ""] ArrowHeadNLI said:I think "killing people" is a perfect reason to own a gun. Freak, I know you're a big guy, but how do you conceal carry a hunting rifle? Handguns have specific targets in mind - humans. Ever try to kill off that deadly poisonous snake with a .45 from 10 feet? How about a charging rhino with a .22? Nope. Guns are for killing people. People invading your right to life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness. Personal protection? Maybe, but not likely. Invading armies? Maybe, not likely. Looters, rioters, etc.. if the bottom doth truly drop out? Maybe. Point is, I want one. I want to be familiar, accurate, and completely LETHAL with one if I EVER NEED TO BE. "people with guns kill people". NO FUCKING with people with guns gets people killed. There's a big difference in viewpoint there. Haha, we should hang out. Haven't figured out how to conceal a shotgun yet, but I did just pick up a .44 mag with a 7 1/2" barrel, with the purpose of using it for deer or bear hunting. My shoulder holster conceals it if my jacket is long enough. Plus, the thing is so fucking fun to shoot -- probably doing some more target shooting tomorrow. I'll admit, I am a gun nut. I love target shooting, clay shooting, hunting and the peace-of-mind they offer my paranoid brain. Firearms aren't for everyone, but the 2nd Amendment is the 2nd Amendment, if you want to purchase a gun, get one. I would recommend a firearms safety course for anyone who is getting into shooting though. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 2:25pm - largefreakatzero ""] arilliusbm said: Alx_Casket said:@aril: You really think that if China wanted to attack us, they would send in a human invasion by air or sea? That is crazy talk. Bio/electronic warfare would be more likely to follow after supply trade has been cut off. no. they could also EMP us and render all of our electronics useless. but they have a massive army.. why not send troops over? I was just using it as a hypothetical situation anyway. I was stressing the point that if we had someone marching down our streets (government, aliens, china, canada, etc), we would have to defend our families with something more than a kitchen knife. Don't forget zombies... |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 2:27pm - NuclearWinter ""] I have a neat throwing axe I got at King Richard's Faire. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 2:31pm - Alx_Casket ""] I understand where you're coming from living in the woods, I would probably do the same in addition to installing a security alarm system. I have no problem with your hunting style, following what I said previously. My problem with the right to carry is the different world that America was, back when the law was made. While it is true about anything that if you want something bad enough, you can find a way to obtain it, many countries operate much more peacefully with a ban on guns. Law enforcement discussions aside, our country is overzealous about gun ownership. Owning a gun gives you security against an attacker if you find yourself in a position that you have one available if you need to use it, but it does not make your life safer. I hypothesize that the quality of our law enforcement and any excessive force issues, racial profiling, etc., would be improved if cops did not carry guns. The role of an officer would be more authoritative, and less of the glamorized power figure that it currently is to some hopeful cadets who have something to prove. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 3:09pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] Alex, do you watch the news? Ever? Bet those kids in Libya are damned happy they have guns. And egypt. I'm not saying we're due for immediate revolt. What I AM saying, is when an anti-gun person like yourself finds themselves surrounded by violence, revolt, looting, or any other number of REAL events happening all around the world, you'll be damned glad to have a neighbor like me or Freak who has acquired firearms and trained ourselves to safely and efficiently use them. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 3:18pm - arktouros ""] largefreakatzero said: Alx_Casket said:I'd be 100% fine with banning firearms across the country. Move to Great Britain, sounds like they have laws that are better suited for you there. Then again, you do live in the correct state for this kind of opinion. I'm not going to bother arguing with you, have a nice day. I'd just like to say that he does not speak for Mass residents, and there is NO SUCH THING as "BANNING FIREARMS" thank you. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 3:20pm - the_reverend ""] largefreakatzero said:It really wouldn't change anything -- NH currently can't deny you a carry permit if you are legally allowed to purchase/own a gun. Everytime you buy a firearm (for both handguns and long guns), the store has to call in your info to the Feds for a background check -- if you are a convicted felon, then no gun for you. I love the people who commented "O NOES, NOW GANG MEMBERS WILL HAVE SHOOTOUTS IN THE STREETZ!1!!" If "gang members" have guns, they didn't buy them at the local gun shop. Then again, equally moronic comments from the other side as well. actually, the local police chief can deny your request or hold it up for a looooooong ass time. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 3:25pm - Alx_Casket ""] In a revolution scenario, or if there was widespread looting/pillaging tomorrow for whatever reason, I could only hope that you'd be on my side, and not against me. I live in a more urban setting than largefreakatzero, and since we're not due for immediate revolt, I'd prefer it if none of my friendly neighbors had guns. The more pertinent situation is the reality that we live in today. Our country has a lot of morons (on either side of the law) that do not need to have guns, but do. I don't subscribe to the idea that having a gun will protect me against someone else who has a gun. I work in trauma at a Boston hospital and it is a constant reminder that guns in the wrong hands lead to bad things, so that is where I'm coming from. A lot more people die from guns than are saved by them... just saying. I hope owning a gun helps dissipate any paranoia you catch from watching your news. @ark: I'll ban your blastbeats as they pose an imminent threat to the children. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 3:26pm - arktouros ""] Learning burst beats to stay ahead of the curve. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 3:28pm - Alx_Casket ""] I'll see you in Lethal Weapon 5. bbl, moving to great britain lulz |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 3:54pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] People die from all kinds of things, Alex. But I've never killed anyone. Neither has Freak. And banning guns would only effect US, not the people sending folks to your ER. Point is preparedness, practicality, safety, and accuracy. You can't just pick up a gun and hit what you aim at. People that think like that cause the accidents putting people in the ER. (or just plain criminals with illegal firearms). Safety, training, practice, are necessary. And while your desire for a ban would take that away from us, it would do NOTHING to prevent crimes committed with illegal firearms - which is the MAJORITY of gun-related fatalities. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 3:57pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] And for the record, if I were in your neighborhood and there were unrest, I'd be the first guy volunteering a shift watching to keep looters and troublemakers out of our neighborhood. And THAT is the people you want to take guns away from by banning them. Meanwhile joe wigger six pack can mow down some guy that looked at him wrong using a gun stolen out of a store or residence that has been off the books since 1982, and nothing about a ban will ever stop him. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 4:09pm - burnsy ""] "A well armed populace is the best defense against tyranny." |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 4:12pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] burnsy said:"A well armed populace is the best defense against tyranny." Yer so smart shnookie. You should swing by sometime, haven't seen ya in a billion years. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 4:36pm - Alx_Casket ""] I realize the gap between people who are trained to handle guns and those who buy them on the street for whatever reason. It is the latter that brings people into the ED more often, obviously. I am no expert on gun control but I assume that a lot of the illegal guns on the street were legal at one point or another, and then stolen. I'm not trying to start a movement here, just saying that if it came to a vote, refer to my original post. Not that it will, as all past efforts to rewrite the language of that amendment have been futile. I hope you have read my previous statements about personal freedoms as well. "The point at which I have a problem with someone who swings their fists around is right when it hits my nose." Preparedness is fine, but if China attacks, good luck staving them off with your personal arsenal. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 4:53pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] I'm not worried about china attacking. You seem to ignore out own social and economic climate right now. We don't need guns to protect from invading armies. Now how about when enough people have had their unemployment benefits cut long enough for them to be desperate to feed themselves and family? That becomes a little more real, a little more likely. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 5:02pm - Alx_Casket ""] I thought it was obvious but to clarify, that part of my response regarding China was toward arilliusbm's lunacy, not yours. When the unemployed hordes unite in a rage of militant song and dance, I'm quite sure they won't head to your place for food. But who knows, since the dollar's value is declining, maybe guns will be the next source of currency. I better start stockpiling too, there's oh so much to be afraid of... |
| _________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 5:02pm - reimroc ""] I almost finished with my homemade 9mm slavshit smg. BATFE can suck my bawls. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 5:05pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] ArrowHeadNLI said:I think "killing people" is a perfect reason to own a gun. [snip] Guns are for killing people. People invading your right to life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness. Personal protection? Maybe, but not likely. Invading armies? Maybe, not likely. Looters, rioters, etc.. if the bottom doth truly drop out? Maybe. Point is, I want one. I want to be familiar, accurate, and completely LETHAL with one if I EVER NEED TO BE. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 5:11pm - reimroc ""] DestroyYouAlot said: ArrowHeadNLI said:I think "killing people" is a perfect reason to own a gun. [snip] Guns are for killing people. People invading your right to life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness. Personal protection? Maybe, but not likely. Invading armies? Maybe, not likely. Looters, rioters, etc.. if the bottom doth truly drop out? Maybe. Point is, I want one. I want to be familiar, accurate, and completely LETHAL with one if I EVER NEED TO BE. remember your trigger dicipline. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 5:16pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Also: Alex, when you're talking about disasters and such - with societal upheaval more than anything - "time to buy a gun" is too late to buy a gun. When the bottom drops out of the economy for good (or whatever other petty bullshit finally sets it off), it becomes a moot point. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 5:17pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] It's easy to tell ourselves we don't live in Egypt and that we're in no danger of armed insurrection. Takes one bad day on Wall Street to tip that applecart right over, and this pot's been boiling for going on 200 years, now. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 5:33pm - largefreakatzero ""] arktouros said: largefreakatzero said: Alx_Casket said:I'd be 100% fine with banning firearms across the country. Move to Great Britain, sounds like they have laws that are better suited for you there. Then again, you do live in the correct state for this kind of opinion. I'm not going to bother arguing with you, have a nice day. I'd just like to say that he does not speak for Mass residents, and there is NO SUCH THING as "BANNING FIREARMS" thank you. No, I know there's plenty of guys I've met from MA that are die-hard hunters and card-carrying NRA members. I was referring to your borderline unconstitutional gun laws, not the residents themselves. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 5:36pm - largefreakatzero ""] the_reverend said: largefreakatzero said:It really wouldn't change anything -- NH currently can't deny you a carry permit if you are legally allowed to purchase/own a gun. Everytime you buy a firearm (for both handguns and long guns), the store has to call in your info to the Feds for a background check -- if you are a convicted felon, then no gun for you. I love the people who commented "O NOES, NOW GANG MEMBERS WILL HAVE SHOOTOUTS IN THE STREETZ!1!!" If "gang members" have guns, they didn't buy them at the local gun shop. Then again, equally moronic comments from the other side as well. actually, the local police chief can deny your request or hold it up for a looooooong ass time. Yes, I know they do pull that, but you can fight it in court. It should be no more than 2 weeks by NH law that they should take in issuing the permit. If they deny it, it must be because of a criminal record, or something to that effect. Depends on how far you're willing to take it. Luckily, I've never had a problem. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 5:40pm - largefreakatzero ""] DestroyYouAlot said:It's easy to tell ourselves we don't live in Egypt and that we're in no danger of armed insurrection. Takes one bad day on Wall Street to tip that applecart right over, and this pot's been boiling for going on 200 years, now. Good to know I'm not the only paranoid one. IMO the next 5 to 10 years is going to get ugly. This country is in a decline -- hard tellin' not knowin' what's to come. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 6:06pm - reimroc ""] i don't know but i would imagine it would go something like cats and dogs living together, rivers and seas boiling and then mass hysteria. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 9:24am - largefreakatzero ""] Here's a bizarre one: http://www.newser.com/story/114060/calif-l...-fast-track-right-to-pack-heat.html California politicians want to be able to carry -- instead of changing the law for everyone, they only want to change it for themselves. Shitty, IMO. |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 10:04am - DestroyYouAlot ""] Haha, wow. Typical. |
| ___________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 10:10am - largefreakatzero ""] Well, obviously politicians are more responsible and more trustworthy than the rest of us...oh wait. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 11:13am - arilliusbm ""] You serious? Politicians are nothing but a mere representation of the general beliefs of the local citizenry, nothing more. Nothing should seperate them from your average citizen; we vote them into office to speak for us. But alas, how it not so. They are, in most cases, upperclass people who feel some sort of entitlement because of their position. They'd take money over their own values. Politicians are corrupt to begin with; no law shall cater solely to that of politicians. |
| ___________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 11:17am - largefreakatzero ""] Dude, totally not serious. SM: 2837982748237910238473281947 *tilt* |