| Now Find a show to go to! May 1 (Fri) - KORPIKLAANI, ELUVEITIE, PRIMORDIAL, MOONSORROW, BLACKGUARD, SWASHBUCKLE - the Palladium (Worcester, MA) Paganfest![views:28989][posts:135]the Palladium (Worcester, MA) - [blackguard][korpiklaani][moonsorrow][primordial][randomshots][swashbuckle] [show listing] _______________________________________ [May 4,2009 12:01pm - boblovesmusic ""] Damn, I really like this idea for a mid-summer pagan fest. Just emailed a buddy about getting this one band When Bitter Spring Sleeps to play (though I'd doubt it). |
| _________________________________ [May 4,2009 12:06pm - darkwor ""] boblovesmusic said:Damn, I really like this idea for a mid-summer pagan fest. Just emailed a buddy about getting this one band When Bitter Spring Sleeps to play (though I'd doubt it). I have that CD they recorded in the woods - I want to see them live to see what goes on when they play, because the CD just sounded like blastbeat noise without rhythm. I had no idea what was going on. The case smells nice though. |
| ______________________________ [May 4,2009 12:13pm - blue ""] This thread provides epic lulz with all the whining. Omg I went to the palladium and the krowd sucked, WHAT A SURPRISE. |
| _________________________________ [May 4,2009 12:31pm - darkwor ""] I expect a thousand hot naked females to crowdsurf upon and fuck between bands. |
| ________________________________________ [May 4,2009 12:40pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] I'm kinda wondering about the pagan/heathen distinction, here. From a strict "English definition" perspective, all either one means is "something other than Christian (or the other two)," so from there I'm not sure what else we're attaching to the words. (I know lots of different groups have latched on to one or the other term as a banner to fly, but it all seems a bit revisionist.) If we were talking about "Germanic heathenism" or something like that, it'd be a different story, but nobody seems to want to get that specific. |
| _________________________________ [May 4,2009 12:49pm - darkwor ""] I think simply that heathen = not christian or 'of the herd', and pagan = worshiping/holding ceremonies to old god/gods. So I guess that Primordial would fall under Germanic heathenism with their identity and ideals as opposed to Native American heathenism or something. So pagans are heathens, but heathens aren't necessarily pagans. Side story - hiking Mt. Monadnock yesterday, there's a Monadnock Bible Conference building (cult) near the base, you could see the building from the summit. We were a ways off-trail and I said "well if we get lost, us wandering heathens can easily find the Bible Conference building." HA. |
| _______________________________________ [May 4,2009 1:20pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] U WRONG LOL |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2009 1:29pm - arilliusbm ""] Blue, you can laugh all you want, but we all know how sad this part of the country is for metal shows / venues/ fans right now. I commend you with the NEDF (any news on the DVD?) which also brings people from outside of NE here. The fact of the matter is that I will not go to shows at the palladium anymore unless there is a band that hasn't played here or barely plays at all. I am saddened at the direction this "scene" - for lack of a better word - is heading in. So I will remain in isolation from shit shows and this board for sometime. |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2009 1:33pm - arilliusbm ""] Darkwor said it right - Pagans are heathens but not all heathens are pagans. You can be a "heathen" or "heretic" by opposing judeo-christianity and other organized religions, but that doesn't mean you're automatically pagan. In order to be pagan, like all other beliefs, one must practice it or follow it. There are certain bands - majority of them being German - which are 100% Pagan, with every member of the band participating it. From what I remember, that band Menhir had a hard time finding a new drummer because they wanted a drummer that followed and shared their beliefs. That being said, Wicca is a form of Paganism, so would an all Wiccan metal band be considered Pagan metal? haha |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2009 1:47pm - arilliusbm ""] 'course, throughout history anyone that wasn't Christian was automatically branded as a pagan or heretic. basically the lack of disctinction between the two are a result of narrowminded misconceptions of the past. "Wow, this Library at Alexandria is something else. It's huge.. contains all recorded history up to this point, numerous Greek plays and stories, various language translations and explanations on Egyptian culture. What should we do with it?" "Burn it. it is pagan and has no relevance to Christianity, therefore it is evil." "Sweet. Burn we will" Fucking pieces of shit. |
| __________________________________________ [May 4,2009 2:03pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] long thread is looooong. |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2009 2:09pm - arilliusbm ""] my apologies for making it long and ranting about how disappointed I am in everything. |
| __________________________________________ [May 4,2009 2:10pm - MikeofdecrepitudE ""] darkwor said: Primordial would fall under Germanic heathenism I believe they lean more towards Druidism than Germanic Neo-Paganism. It would make sense that "To The Nameless Dead" contains a song called As Rome Burns; since the Druids became suppressed by the Roman government in the early common era. |
| _____________________________ [May 4,2009 2:18pm - blue ""] Aril, not shitting on you at all, just saying if you go to the palladium don't expext anything too positive. Its like going to marks showplace or something. |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2009 2:19pm - arilliusbm ""] haha, it's rttp. I knew you weren't shitting on me nor was I shitting on you. In fact, who even knows if my rant was true? It could easily fall under a sarcasm meter, but that feature is no longer included. |
| __________________________________________ [May 4,2009 2:27pm - MikeofdecrepitudE ""] arilliusbm said:'course, throughout history anyone that wasn't Christian was automatically branded as a pagan or heretic. basically the lack of disctinction between the two are a result of narrowminded misconceptions of the past. "Wow, this Library at Alexandria is something else. It's huge.. contains all recorded history up to this point, numerous Greek plays and stories, various language translations and explanations on Egyptian culture. What should we do with it?" "Burn it. it is pagan and has no relevance to Christianity, therefore it is evil." "Sweet. Burn we will" Fucking pieces of shit. Rumor has it that it pretty much exists, in some form, underneath the Vatican. Go figure, right? Apparently it contains vast amounts of ancient, esoteric texts. |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2009 2:42pm - arilliusbm ""] So if that was the case, then these texts are somewhere underground in the Roman Catacombs? Damn, I got lost down there but didn't find any ancient texts. You just made me want to go on an Indiana Jones Quest. Honestly, if we only knew what was in the Library, history would be completely different. We'd have way more knowledge regarding ancient history and culture. I think that "supposed" burning of the Alexandrian Library is single-handedly one of the most devastating things Christianity has ever done to mankind (other than destroying European culture, etc.) Also, the Spanish Conquistadores' destruction of 90% of Mayan history/art/language.. |
| __________________________________________ [May 4,2009 2:55pm - MikeofdecrepitudE ""] Yeah. Karl and the Holy Roman Empire did a number on Europe and it would never be the same again. I can't believe he was able trick the Chieftains into attending negotiations WITHOUT their weapons. You can imagine how that went. |
| ______________________________________ [May 4,2009 2:56pm - boblovesmusic ""] boblovesmusic said:I'd love to try and set this up (even if it's only just like four or five bands), but I have little to no experience booking or organizing shows. So if someone would give me a hand, that would be awesome! Mid to late July maybe? Is that dude "troll" still around so I could talk to him? Does it matter that I'm not really pagan myself, but the idea of this sounds awesome? hehe |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2009 3:02pm - arilliusbm ""] Troll disappeared for quite sometime but just recently posted in the "Old Crowe looking for vocalist" thread. I mentioned something about another Coos County fest but he must have missed it or ignored it. It shouldn't matter if anyone is pagan or not - it's just the idea of an outdoor fest which has heathen/pagan/black metal bands with meat being cooked and beer being served.. sounds awesome. In fact, I think a few people could put their minds together and try to come up with this. Problem is? Location. Coos County is way the fuck up in Northern NH.. how many people want to venture up there? There are a number of secluded areas in central/western MA though. It would require more than one person to set this stuff up. |
| ________________________________ [May 4,2009 3:04pm - darkwor ""] arilliusbm said: I think that "supposed" burning of the Alexandrian Library is single-handedly one of the most devastating things Christianity has ever done to mankind (other than destroying European culture, etc.) I thought that was burned around 50 BC in Caesar's defense of the port when the Egyptians came to take the city back? Imperialism: destroying cultures longer than Christianity. :krusty: |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2009 3:15pm - arilliusbm ""] I'm actually not quite sure the exact time it was burned; but from what I remember in college is my professor mentioned that it is rumored Christian monks were the reason behind its destruction. I honestly haven't read anything about it in years. I'd like to go research it and prove myself wrong, but it's probably not the smartest thing to do at work right now. |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2009 3:20pm - arilliusbm ""] eh, what the hell. not the most reliable site but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Al...exandria#Destruction_of_the_Library gives you 4 possible reasons on its destruction. I knew there was mystery behind it. I though I remembered hearing that the 3rd reason (xstian burning) was the most likely and probably cause and it is something which was denied over time and it eventually turned into a taboo subject. |
| ________________________________ [May 4,2009 4:09pm - darkwor ""] MikeofdecrepitudE said: darkwor said: Primordial would fall under Germanic heathenism I believe they lean more towards Druidism than Germanic Neo-Paganism. It would make sense that "To The Nameless Dead" contains a song called As Rome Burns; since the Druids became suppressed by the Roman government in the early common era. Right, I guess I meant Germanic heathenism as the struggle identified with non-Christian northern Europeans the past couple thousand years, specifically Irish ones. Either way I didn't mean rune-worshiping Germanic Neo-Pagans. I went NUTS when they played As Rome Burns at the show - "We are Nero and Rome Is BURNING" |
| ______________________________________ [May 4,2009 4:14pm - thuringwethil ""] I sometimes wonder what would've happened if The Roman Emperor Constantine hadn't adopted / sanctioned Christianity in 313. |
| ____________________________________ [May 4,2009 4:27pm - Dave_Maggot ""] :ralphie::HUMP::yoda::tmnt3: |
| _______________________________________________ [May 4,2009 7:51pm - some random metal fan ""] RTTP : Historical Discussions |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2009 11:14pm - DJ DEATH ""] After reading all of Jims responses to the "paganfest", though, i wasnt there, its a sad fate of the scene.... its being dictated by childish, soon to be one of americas countless drones. Jim, we should totally put together a show with CNV and Herugrim. Im all for helping to have bonfires, beer, and meat cooking for a metal show. Be it CNV is occult, we endorse ancient atmospheres, which is delving deep in the past. Its important. we should make it happen this summer! -Gemini matt |
| ____________________________________________________ [May 4,2009 11:39pm - boblovesmusic@thecoolidge ""] I really want to make this happen as well! It would be an awesome time. |
| _________________________________________ [May 5,2009 1:03am - douchebag_patrol ""] [img] |
| ________________________________________ [May 5,2009 1:08am - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] Hold this theoretical fest on an island and close out the festivities with a Viking funeral or Wickerman burning. Anything resulting in a huge fire in an isolated location works best. |
| ______________________________ [May 5,2009 12:01pm - BSV ""] I went to this show cuz my buddy is the tour manager and had to drop off some goodies and rejoice... I dunno guys. Kinda surprised everyone is getting all pissy about this right now. If you saw Sodom in Poughkeepsie a few years back, you were probably like me, ripshit after nearly half the joint emptied out after Finntroll played BEFORE Sodom even went on the stage. I just don't get why all these kids who hate on Burzum all of a sudden are so devoted to "folk" and tribesman antics....you're missing the point. I was also disappointed to learn that the singer of Korpiklaani is the ONLY Hunter and Fisherman in that band. At least they saved face by being hockey fans! Somebody critque Finland to work on small talk, yikes!! I can't deny though that was actually one of the most postive shows I've ever been too. Don't know if that's good or bad. All I know is I need the Primordial discography asap. |
| _________________________________ [May 5,2009 12:44pm - darkwor ""] ^^This man speaks truth |
| ______________________________ [May 5,2009 12:53pm - Yeti ""] random hockey fan factoid: Viggo Mortensen wore a Montreal Canadiens jersey underneath his costume for the entire filming of the Lord of the Rings trilogy. |
| ____________________________________ [May 5,2009 12:57pm - arilliusbm ""] Really? Aside from Primordial and somewhat Moonsorrow, this show made me lose all hope in humanity, amoung other things. I still hang my head in sorrow. |
| ___________________________________ [May 5,2009 12:58pm - dreadkill ""] good, now i hate viggo mortensen. |