Nothing pisses me off more than people who don't believe in climate change[views:21136][posts:191]_________________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 7:33pm - TheRidersofDoom ""] I don't give a fuck if you believe it is man made or natural, because we will never really know because we aren't that good at this whole data and science thing. But I am tired of all these high school drop -outs, dudes who have never even lifted the pages of a book that was at all enlightened, and or informed and not just opinion or some story book to entertain his caveman joys. Too many retards in the world saying "global warming is a myth" I ask those retards to go take a trip to the north where eskimos are literally losing their houses to the sea because the ice they were built on that never melted in hundreds of years is going now. I ask these skeptics to visit nepal and tibet where their only source of fresh water is rapidly melting away....that being the glaciers in the himalayas, which they know once they start to dwindle and all out war with china and india will ensue, seeing they both get 90 percent of their fresh water from the glaciers too. Confusticate these morons please! "Global warming is are a myth because of tham thar emails that got leaked" yea, awesome evidence guys, weigh that against all the evidence around the globe that points to the world going to shit. I mean, even if the climate wasn't changing, which it is whether or not it is our fault, we still need to stop dumping chemicals into the ocean, air, and soil, and stop raping our resources, and stop reproducing so much, and consuming so much. Fucking mongoloid skeptics, they just don't want to feel guilty about eating their hot pockets and driving their f-5000 fords, that they don't put anything into the bed of. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 7:43pm - TheRidersofDoom ""] and I love the fact that all the detractors of climate change's biggest piece of evidence is an email, and the fact that "da world is getting colder some places, and winter is still coming" they still haven't realized global warming was just a bad name, and that climate change is the warming of some parts, but the freezing of others, think ice age. I mean, we are probably on the cusp of another ice age, getting warmer first in some parts. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 7:45pm - TheRidersofDoom ""] oh here is something that sounds totally sound and scientific from skeptics "The biggest legitimate link involving CO2 is with plants. We know that increasing CO2 increases plant growth and crop yields. CO2 is essential to all life forms on earth. Treating it as pollution is about as absurd as believing we can predict our climate 50 years from now. We also know that the warmer our planet has been in the past, the more life it supported. The most devastating blows to creatures on earth from temperatures came from cold." |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 7:47pm - TheRidersofDoom ""] yeah because the planet being warmer won't wipe out half of all major cities situated on low lying coasts... and yea, co2 is totally our friend, us humans that can't breath it in, also...more crops...yeah, too bad we kill all the trees that change that co2 into oxygen and also, back in the day when there was more life as that commenter puts it, there was more oxygen in the air than now. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 8:00pm - the_reverend ""] don't shit where you eat. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 8:02pm - martins ""] tl;dr but I probably agree. Part of the reason is that people are still stuck on global WARMING and are expecting it to be warm all the time. lol idots. Even if climate change isn't caused by humans there's still a lot of shit that we fucked up. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 8:33pm - RustyPS ""] martins said:tl;dr but I probably agree. Part of the reason is that people are still stuck on global WARMING and are expecting it to be warm all the time. lol idots.I agree....people can believe whatever they want, but it urks me to end the people that say on a cold day like today, "GEE, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THIS GLOBAL WARMING AL GORE WAS TALKING ABOUT?!? HUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRR" just because its not 90 degrees everyday doesn't mean there isn't a problem, numbnuts |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 8:36pm - xgodzillax ""] sick convo with yourself bro |
| _______________________________ [Dec 17,2009 8:37pm - Pires ""] RustyPS said: martins said:tl;dr but I probably agree. Part of the reason is that people are still stuck on global WARMING and are expecting it to be warm all the time. lol idots.I agree....people can believe whatever they want, but it urks me to end the people that say on a cold day like today, "GEE, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THIS GLOBAL WARMING AL GORE WAS TALKING ABOUT?!? HUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRR" just because its not 90 degrees everyday doesn't mean there isn't a problem, numbnuts well where IS the global warming then? Al Gore was wrong. It was really cold today. Global warming wouldn't allow this. ITT: butthurt hippies |
| _________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 8:40pm - RustyPS ""] what an asshole lol and fuck hippies |
| _______________________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 9:49pm - IllinoisEnemaBradness ""] TheRidersofDoom said: dudes who have never even lifted the pages of a book that was at all enlightened, and or informed and not just opinion or some story book to entertain his caveman joys. ingles por favor Al Gore sucks |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 9:58pm - patmeebles ""] TheRidersofDoom said:dudes who have never even lifted the pages of a book that was at all enlightened Were those the books that legitimate skeptic scientists were bullied out of because they had a different conclusion? You mock the "biggest piece of evidence" being "an email," without acknowledging the fact that it was actually tons of emails (and the deletion of more emails) from 10 years ago to only 2 months ago which showed high levels of scientific malfeasance and the aforementioned bullying of detractors. And are MIT professors of meteorology "high school dropouts?" http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...748703939404574567423917025400.html I understand your need to demonize people who disagree with you as dumb hicks; it's the only way you can dismiss scientific fraud of people like Al Gore who say the earth's core is millions of degrees and that the polar caps will melt in 5 years and that Katrina was "only the beginning" because Bush didn't sign Kyoto. It's the only way you can dismiss the importance of CO2 as plant food. It's the only way you can dismiss that "a doubling of CO2 would only upset the original balance between incoming and outgoing radiation by about 2%." It's the only way you can justify ludicrous ads where polar bears are falling from the sky. It's the only way you can deal with demanding Kyoto be signed, even though if every country signed onto it the earth's warming would only be slowed by .05 degrees or something ridiculously insignificant. It's the only way you can be smug in your arrogant ignorance of a differing viewpoint. Welcome to 21st century politics. You'll do well here. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 10:15pm - patmeebles ""] Here are more arguments you won't read because you're too stupid being, like, totally cool, like, about dealing with all these, like, dummies n' stuff http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/146138/Climate-change-Reasons-listed |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 10:18pm - TheRidersofDoom ""] It doesn't matter what the earth is doing, It just pisses me off that people dismiss it now because of emails. They just want to stop having to recycle, caring about the environment. Let's face it, we live shitty lives and all of us pollute. and in reports of being a hippy, fuck hippies. I am a heathen, and the wild disappears because all the civilized people want their starbucks and walmarts everywhere I'm more pissed at people dismissing the fact that the earth is fucked more than anything about climate change. |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 10:25pm - TheRidersofDoom ""] patmeebles said:Here are more arguments you won't read because you're too stupid being, like, totally cool, like, about dealing with all these, like, dummies n' stuff http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/146138/Climate-change-Reasons-listed Maybe you should have read where I said "it doesn't matter if it is man made or natural" I never said it was man-made! I just said we fuck shit up too |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 10:26pm - TheRidersofDoom ""] and where the fuck are the sources for those arguments in that link? I mean, i could just say... "global climate change is created by god being angry at us" and it would fit in perfectly with that list. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 10:28pm - patmeebles ""] TheRidersofDoom said:It doesn't matter what the earth is doing, It just pisses me off that people dismiss it now because of emails. They just want to stop having to recycle, caring about the environment. Let's face it, we live shitty lives and all of us pollute. and in reports of being a hippy, fuck hippies. I am a heathen, and the wild disappears because all the civilized people want their starbucks and walmarts everywhere I'm more pissed at people dismissing the fact that the earth is fucked more than anything about climate change. Once again, you show just how ignorant you are of what skeptics are inclined to believe. There's really no point in talking with you if you can't understand what my viewpoint is to begin with, but I'll indulge. Skeptics, for the most part, believe that climate change ALWAYS HAPPENS (not that it never happens). Skeptics believe that warming is due mostly to the sun (you know, that place where it's really hot and is responsible for keeping us warm enough to live) and because we're still coming out of the Little Ice Age. Skeptics believe (and can prove reasonably well) that the earth was much warmer in the middle ages. Skeptics believe that cleaner emissions is a good thing, but reducing emissions by cutting back the standard of living is trillions too expensive for a pointless endeavor. Skeptics rightly believe that most of the greenhouse gases involve water vapor. They also rightly believe that, yes, C02 IS PLANT FOOD. That's all I feel like typing. I need a shower now. I am a heathen, and the wild disappears because all the civilized people want their starbucks and walmarts everywhere That is the most hippy-laced bullshit I've ever heard. Maaaaaan, Walmarts are, like, destroying the rainforests or, like, something. |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 10:29pm - TheRidersofDoom ""] So in theory we have been arguing the same thing, because I have argued that it is happening, climate change that is, but that's like saying the sun is dying out...the seasons are changing, it's a natural cycle of things... I am just pissed at the dumb bulk of americans who know nothing of science jump for joy because they think the earth is staying the same and that they won the argument because of some leaked emails...which may or may not be legit anyways. |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 10:33pm - TheRidersofDoom ""] patmeebles said: TheRidersofDoom said:It doesn't matter what the earth is doing, It just pisses me off that people dismiss it now because of emails. They just want to stop having to recycle, caring about the environment. Let's face it, we live shitty lives and all of us pollute. and in reports of being a hippy, fuck hippies. I am a heathen, and the wild disappears because all the civilized people want their starbucks and walmarts everywhere I'm more pissed at people dismissing the fact that the earth is fucked more than anything about climate change. Once again, you show just how ignorant you are of what skeptics are inclined to believe. There's really no point in talking with you if you can't understand what my viewpoint is to begin with, but I'll indulge. Skeptics, for the most part, believe that climate change ALWAYS HAPPENS (not that it never happens). Skeptics believe that warming is due mostly to the sun (you know, that place where it's really hot and is responsible for keeping us warm enough to live) and because we're still coming out of the Little Ice Age. Skeptics believe (and can prove reasonably well) that the earth was much warmer in the middle ages. Skeptics believe that cleaner emissions is a good thing, but reducing emissions by cutting back the standard of living is trillions too expensive for a pointless endeavor. Skeptics rightly believe that most of the greenhouse gases involve water vapor. They also rightly believe that, yes, C02 IS PLANT FOOD. That's all I feel like typing. I need a shower now. I am a heathen, and the wild disappears because all the civilized people want their starbucks and walmarts everywhere That is the most hippy-laced bullshit I've ever heard. Maaaaaan, Walmarts are, like, destroying the rainforests or, like, something. I agree with all the things you just said...like I said before, I just hate people that think nothing is happening....which are the bulk of dumb americans, I agree with your viewpoint...not the al gore viewpoint. and how am I hippy because I like the woods and wildlife? so is teddy roosevelt a hippy? that guy was the most badassed president we ever had, he quit congress so he could serve in battle. and you can't tell me that being intelligent you think we can just destroy our natural resources wantonly |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 10:33pm - patmeebles ""] TheRidersofDoom said:So in theory we have been arguing the same thing, because I have argued that it is happening, climate change that is, but that's like saying the sun is dying out...the seasons are changing, it's a natural cycle of things... I am just pissed at the dumb bulk of americans who know nothing of science jump for joy because they think the earth is staying the same and that they won the argument because of some leaked emails...which may or may not be legit anyways. You are one ignorant fuck. You don't even know what skeptics are saying. And you try to have it both ways, both claiming it's man made and then gleefully jumping on the "it's natural" bandwagon just so you can say "It's happening!" because you think people who don't believe in AGW think the earth stays the same at all times. Are you in high school? It's past your bed time. Your thought patterns are tiring. I'm done. |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 10:34pm - TheRidersofDoom ""] But I guess if I want to be more american I should go light a bison on fire and blow up a nature reserve and make it into a burgerking or something... |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 10:36pm - TheRidersofDoom ""] nah I just think it's silly and all, because you seem to propose that we can continue with the status quo of using fossil fuel and strip mining/clear cutting for the sake that it seems you think it has no effect on the planet...at least that is what I have read so far. Being a paleontology nerd I have known about the cyclic changing of temperatures so I agree it is natural, I know we have had like 8 ice ages since the dinos walked this earth. and like I said before, we are probably going on the cusp of another |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 11:20pm - arilliusbm ""] I'd love to chime in but I'm too tired. Oh well maybe tomorrow. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2009 11:24pm - martins ""] I wish the aliens would stop tinkering with our atmosphere. Or that god damn HAARP. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 12:10am - arilliusbm ""] Maurice Strong taught you well. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 12:55am - Archaeon ""] This thread rules. |
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| ______________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 2:30am - the_reverend ""] how many flipper babies? HOW MANY FLIPPER BABIES! |
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| _____________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 2:42am - Sacreligion ""] The fact that man thinks he can really have any permanent effect on the environment is hilarious. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 3:30am - the_reverend ""] yeah, you are right.. it's not like we can find layers of mercury from the romans smelting it in artic ice that is enough to retard kids... oh wait... |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 4:21am - patmeebles ""] TheRidersofDoom said:But I guess if I want to be more american I should go light a bison on fire and blow up a nature reserve and make it into a burgerking or something... Apparently you're from NH, which is weird, because people from NH usually have more sense than the bullshit you're spewing. It's funny you should bring up clear cutting. Were you against Bush's brush-clearing plan to cut down on Forest fires? How does it feel to contribute to the increase in forest fire intensity? DOES IT FEEL REAL GOOD??? |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 6:48am - arilliusbm ""] Al Gore is a major shareholder in a company that cuts down rainforests. He's a hypocrite. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 7:36am - SkinSandwich ""] I thought someone taking a dump on your chest while you slept would piss you off more. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 8:36am - ouchdrummer ""] It's a tough subject.... mainly because the evidence DOES point to climate change being real, and caused by man... but it doesn't prove it, and there is still room for people to say that it's all part of a natural cycle. That being said... why wouldn't we wanna change over to sustainable energy? That's the part i don't get, it's almost as if the people who say it's a sham are using the lack of 100% concrete evidence to drag their feet on other issues that have to do with more than the climate. I realize how expensive it would be to totally change over to sustainable energy forms, but it would also help create a lot of new jobs... |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 8:44am - arilliusbm ""] http://www.steorn.com/orbo/ check that out with the video. some say it's a hoax. others not. they just publically started testing it this week or something. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 8:50am - TheRidersofDoom ""] I still think it's funny that my whole problem was with the people who don't believe in Climate change. I never said I believed the earth was getting warmer...which some people thought I did. And I never said it was all man made, we have had an influence. The thing is this. Temperatures went up, melting of ice ensued, that water went into the water, slowed down and changed sea currents a little, thus we are not cooling down because the water is what really determines climate in an area. And by the way, clear cutting to prevent wild fires is retarded, what should happen is people should 1, not build their million dollar vacation homes out in the woods, and 2, let fires happen the normal way. The reason wild fires go crazy in California is because they don't let any fires happen, which is what kills the underbrush and detritus which causes them to be as bad as they are in California. In fact, the natives around here used to clear the undergrowth and burn the dead leaves around their villages for miles so that such fires wouldn't occur near them But the reason California gets so uppy about it is because all the billionaires build their vacation mansions out in the deep woods, so anytime a normal fire happens, that is good for forest growth and clearing build up of fuel...they go ape shit and call the governor...thus just delaying and making it possible for bigger fires down the years. Also, fuck Al Gore, and Fuck hippies, like I said before So in conclusion, yes it is mostly natural, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't stop using fossil fuels, living unsustainable, raping our natural resources, and depleting biodiversity for the sake of our collective convenience and cheapness. and not to mention, switching to alt energy is better for the environment, and our health, and our economy, as those jobs are local. Imagine if they had to build wind turbines all along the maine coast and Mass coast...that'd be thousands of new jobs...and cheaper electric bills. so in short, my beef is with the average joe who doesn't believe driving his f5000 ford and throwing away 50 tons of garbage, throwing his mercury coated light bulbs and his batteries in the trash matters. I have met plenty of people that think we should drill in Alaska and texas and we should erect nuke plants everywhere, and that recycling is a waste of time, and that they don't have an effect on the environment. My solution, kill 90 percent of the world's people. Easiest, most effective way...solves world hunger too...mmmmm human jerky. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 8:50am - Martins ""] Sacreligion said:The fact that man thinks he can really have any permanent effect on the environment is hilarious. I have nothing against you but this is the most retarded post ever made in the history of RttP. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 8:54am - arilliusbm ""] Dunno, you've had worst posts. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 8:55am - Martins ""] TheRidersofDoom said:I have met plenty of people that think we should drill in Alaska and texas and we should erect nuke plants everywhere, and that recycling is a waste of time, and that they don't have an effect on the environment. Uh, hold on. What's wrong with nuclear power plants? It is the one of the cleanest and most efficient forms of energy generation we have. Sure the waste is radioactive, but if taken care of properly it's NO BIG DEAL. Nevermind the fact they're finding ways to recycle the waste. Until we can perform nuclear fusion, fission is one of the best ways to create massive amounts of energy. Wind, geothermal, solar, and wave energy can't make the massive amounts of energy a nuclear fission plant can. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 8:55am - Martins ""] arilliusbm said:Dunno, you've had worst posts. Go back to Above Top Secret, faggot. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 9:01am - TheRidersofDoom ""] Martins said: TheRidersofDoom said:I have met plenty of people that think we should drill in Alaska and texas and we should erect nuke plants everywhere, and that recycling is a waste of time, and that they don't have an effect on the environment. Uh, hold on. What's wrong with nuclear power plants? It is the one of the cleanest and most efficient forms of energy generation we have. Sure the waste is radioactive, but if taken care of properly it's NO BIG DEAL. Nevermind the fact they're finding ways to recycle the waste. Until we can perform nuclear fusion, fission is one of the best ways to create massive amounts of energy. Wind, geothermal, solar, and wave energy can't make the massive amounts of energy a nuclear fission plant can. I'm all for nuclear fusion when it comes. But look at it this way, if they said "Hey martins we are gonna build a nuke plant a mile from your house" would you be Ok with it? Even though the risk of it blowing up is extremely small...if it does you and everyone around is dead without a shadow of a doubt. Not to mention...we have no studies about the long term effects on people who grow up near nuke plants. Who knows...it could increase your chance for cancer or something. and Wind and solar tech is advancing rapidly every day, they now have solar panels that roll out like a thin carpet. Not to mention the energy they can generate is increasing all the time with new discoveries. I just think that Nuclear energy is too dangerous, and currently too toxic, to even bother with. But yea, it is clean energy, other than the waste that lasts 3 million years and has to be stored hundreds of feet underground, where it may or may not leak into the drinking water. But honestly it is better than most of what we got today. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 9:02am - arilliusbm ""] There's no spaces in ATS, faggot. And sci-forums > ATS |
| _________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 9:03am - Martins ""] I believe the highest solar conversion rate of a solar panel is about 42%. But those are the most expensive. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 9:03am - arilliusbm ""] Geothermal energy is better than nuclear power. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 9:04am - Martins ""] arilliusbm said:There's no spaces in ATS, faggot. And sci-forums > ATS aril, fuck you. trying to have a serious conversation about power on RttP. keep your bullshit out of this. SM:-99 |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 9:06am - arilliusbm ""] You took the jab first, fatty. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 9:07am - Martins ""] har har |
| _________________________________ [Dec 18,2009 9:07am - Martins ""] arilliusbm said:Dunno, you've had worst posts. |