Ridley Scott's Prometheus[views:50797][posts:203]______________________________________ [Jun 8,2012 2:14pm - Lacrosse Fan ""] BRO |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 8,2012 2:15pm - trioxin_245 ""] going to see tonight but not paying $35 for imax bullshit |
| ________________________________ [Jun 8,2012 2:17pm - Diablo ""] trioxin_245 said:going to play diablo coop instead of paying $35 for imax bullshit |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 8,2012 2:19pm - trioxin_245 ""] diabloBM |
| __________________________________ [Jun 8,2012 2:21pm - chernobyl ""] Lacrosse%20Fan said:BRO hahahahahahaha |
| __________________________________ [Jun 8,2012 2:22pm - chernobyl ""] Imax is $18-20 bro |
| ________________________________ [Jun 8,2012 2:23pm - Diablo ""] trioxin_245 said:going to smoke weed in heaven with a barbarian friend under a sparkling weeping willow whilst watching an angel battle a demon way in the background instead of paying $35 for imax bullshit |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 8,2012 2:26pm - trioxin_245 ""] Diablo said: trioxin_245 said:going to smoke weed in heaven with a barbarian friend under a sparkling weeping willow whilst watching an angel battle a demon way in the background instead of paying $35 for imax bullshit I got you a pretty sweet belt too BRAH |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 8,2012 2:28pm - trioxin_245 ""] chernobyl said:Imax is $18-20 bro if I went alone yes, but w/ gf it's $36-40 BRO |
| __________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 5:38am - chernobyl ""] This movie was mindblowing. Dont listen to the negative reviews, they went into the movie expecting character development and blah blah. The series has never really been about that. Its always been about MYSTERY and SUSPENSE in a dark atmosphere. The movie is mysterious and suspenseful not to mention pulls ideas for you to use your imagination...it can be a little confusing but overall if you are fan of Alien(s) HOW could you not like this movie is beyond me. Not to mention the aliens and visuals are unreal. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 7:27am - Mahknovista ""] What was up with the one in the beginning? |
| _______________________________ [Jun 9,2012 7:51am - KEVORD ""] The movie is a perfect sci-fi horror story. The way it was filmed in 20 years it will still look like a brand new movie in the same way Alien and The Thing do on Blu Ray. Minor Spoiler : They could have easily made a cheap prequel with facehugers and Xenomorphes I'm glad they took it in a totally different direction so when you do see the Alien queen at the end it's nerd boner city. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 9,2012 7:57am - KEVORD ""] Mahknovista said:What was up with the one in the beginning? I assume you're talking about the one who kills himself because the weapons (Alien virus) got loose. All the Engeniers were evacuating and running for their lives. Same reason the one in the begining got his head cut off by the door. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 9,2012 8:33am - KEVORD ""] Or that guy was planting the original human dna code on earth. Need to see this again |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 10:12am - arilliusbm ""] Could not disagree more. Far from perfect. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 10:32am - KEVORD ""] Explain? |
| _________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 10:41am - MikeOv ""] KEVORD said:Or that guy was planting the original human dna code on earth. Need to see this again In an interview conducted with Scott, he said that opening sequence could be taking place anywhere. Not specifically Earth. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 10:45am - KEVORD ""] Ok that helps explain it. I assumed earth was just one of many science experiments. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 10:48am - MikeOv ""] KEVORD said: so when you do see the Alien queen at the end it's nerd boner city. Got into a huge debate over this with my friend after we walked out of the theater. I told him I thought the engineer birthed a queen because its appearance when spawned looked totally different from the way it came out of Kane in Alien. In Alien it looked more fetal, pale, and coiled. However, Ripley was about to birth a queen in A3 and it looked like the same one that came out of Kane. Maybe in Prometheus that particular xenomorph birthed the way it did because of the engineers biological make-up? For example, Xenomorph's always take on a grotesquely mocked form of it's host, as seen in A3 when the morph spawns from the dog. In the directors cut when it birthed out of the cattle, it should have resembled more bullish-like features, like that action figure which came out years ago when I was a kid. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 10:50am - MikeOv ""] Also, the ending sequence is one of my biggest gripes with this film. I don't know how I feel about that potentially being the origin of the xenomorph species. And the creature Shaw birthed was what? The ultimate primordial facehugger? |
| _________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 10:52am - MikeOv ""] My friend was totally pissed off that the once supposed exo-skeleton of the space jockey turns out to just be a suit? I'm sort of with him on that but I can also go the other way, too. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 11:00am - KEVORD ""] Yeah I took it as the xenomorphs are in a constant evolutionary process constantly evolving into their enviroment (hence why they're the perfect game for predators). So Shaws dna mixed with the weapons to form facehugger stage 1. The enginer then birthed Alien Queen Stage one who made the eggs for facehugger stage 2 that was in Alien. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 11:06am - MikeOv ""] Also, the role of Mr. Weyland not being portrayed by Lance Henrickson = fail. Explain to me this. Now, I hate Alien vs. Predator but Charles Bishop Weyland, who also provided the exterior appearance for the android bishop, apparently goes on some Antarctic expedition and there is a Queen xenomorph locked in an ancient birthing chamber. The film was set in 2004! Prometheus arrives on LV-223 in the year 2093. Now FUCK Paul Anderson but if AvP is acknowledged within the Alien universe, as this prequel is as well, then the ending sequence of Prometheus is certainly not the origin over our very hostile, giger drawn friends. What do you think about that, Ridley?!!? |
| ________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 11:13am - KEVORD ""] Alien Vs. Predator is an alternate uviverse created by Dark Horse comics. It doesn't really count. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 11:20am - MikeOv ""] I know what you mean, but the film wasn't marketed as an alternate universe within the Alien film franchise. That's all the fans were given since Alien Resurrection, so it's hard not to include it into the overall arc, even if I hate it. Did Dan Obannon or Ronald Shusett have anything to do with the writing of Prometheus? I could argue that Scott's "prequel" can also be viewed as a separate universe in the Alien legacy as well. This is already ruining my life in such a good way. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 11:23am - MikeOv ""] Speaking of which, one of the writers for Prometheus was behind the show "Lost", correct? |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 11:28am - arilliusbm ""] All right, here goes: To start, I'll just say that I enjoyed the concept and approach a lot. 10/10 on that part. I love movies that venture into the area that this movie did. It's not every day that these kind of movies come out. The special effects and art were mind-blowing. How can one not appreciate the movie from and artistic point of view? I really love the way they made the Engineers look. They were human, yet alien at the same time. They were everything I would imagine what our species will look like with thousands and thousands of years of evolution. They were creepy, yet struck at home because of their similarity to us. I think the only real negative things I can pull from the movie more or less have to do with the film-making aspect of it. Ridley Scott has done better. There were a number of scenes which were downright cliched, namely the scene when Milburn and Fifield (bong-smoking redhead) encountered the premature worm creature. It was a scene that was easily predictable, and cheesy at the same time. In fact, I think both of those characters were lackluster. After the suspenseful buildup, that scene kind of ruined it. I'm really hoping there's a number of deleted scenes on the dvd/bluray release, because some of the movie seemed quite rushed. Dr. Holloway's character was killed off way too soon, IMHO. The development of his "sickness" had no real substance behind it. I understand that David (STOLE THE SHOW, BY THE WAY), caused that, but yet, a character of his stature should have held a better role as the movie went along. The atmosphere in this movie was astounding. The ideas and creativity is all there. Ridley Scott never fails to amaze me on a lot of levels, yet to say that this is a 10/10 or his best movie is hard for me to do. There was also some bad dialogue in the movie; and some scenes which were, at times, laughable. Vickers' demise and death was as predictable as they come, yet left me shaking my head. It was a horrible way to go, yet memorable, but I think that was somewhat of a joke. Also, why did Weyland look like old Biff from Back to the Future? I was hoping his cane would have a fist on the top. As Mike said above, the Xenomorph at the end of the movie was differeent than the one that came out of Kane. I viewed that particular Alien as a "super Alien" because of the advanced evolved state of the Engineer in which it came out of. In regards to the movie as being the origin of the xenomorph, I don't think it was. I think it SHOWED us what created them, but obviously, wasn't the origin. The mural on the wall depicted a full-grown adult Xenomorph alien, which led me to believe that they already knew for years, what they turned into. There must have been a freak accident on LV-223 which led to their demise on that station. They carbon-dated the death of the original Engineer and she said it had died roughly 2000 years ago. So yea, the xenomorphs had been around for longer than we thought. Too much typing. Movie would be a great discussion over a beer. I'll up my review to 8/10. All in all, I definitely loved the movie but it had its flaws. I would love to see it again, and am anticipating the sequel. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 11:29am - KEVORD ""] Dan Obannon died either last year or the year before so I don't think he had anything to do with the writing process. Since all the sequels take place after this and Ridley Scott is the director of the original I consider this more a true sequel-prequel to Alien than even Aliens. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 11:39am - KEVORD ""] LOL they made the sequel its called Alien. I don't expect great acting in a Sci Fi movie. Star wars isn't exactly the greatest acted movie either. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 11:42am - KEVORD ""] And if it wasn't the origin of the Alien queen why even bother going back to it at the end? If it was just an extra gross out scene it would have ended up on the cutting room floor. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 11:45am - MikeOv ""] arilliusbm said:The mural on the wall depicted a full-grown adult Xenomorph alien, This. I pointed that out to my friend and he was all "nah, I didn't make that connection at all." It was way too obvious to miss. And ok, so we'll argue that the final scene was not the origin of the xenomorphs. Yet, as depicted in the film; we can view it as a reenactment of what occurred thousands of years ago when engineering an aggressive weapon-like life form? Only now inflicted upon the Prometheus crew after their discoveries? So the space jockey's have just been running around the entire universe terraforming other planets/moons and, let's say they got something right (or horribly wrong) when they either first perfected the xenomorph's or the parasite facehugger species? Ugh, the age old what came first? The chicken or the egg? So, what took place on LV-426 can be viewed as perhaps maybe the ultimate achievement of these above mentioned hostile alien species? Rather than some gigantic primordial facehugger in Prometheus, they evolved the facehuggers down into smaller, arachnid-like creatures, gestating in pods? You know what? Fuck it. I never even liked the idea of another species engineering the xenomorph's. I liked entertaining the possibility that they spawned from their own natural evolutionary processes, not unlike the cockroach, only a cockroach on the ultimate bath salts. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 11:47am - MikeOv ""] KEVORD said:Dan Obannon died either last year or the year before so I don't think he had anything to do with the writing process. Since all the sequels take place after this and Ridley Scott is the director of the original I consider this more a true sequel-prequel to Alien than even Aliens. Hah, yeah I was just making my nerd point. Dan died in 2009 even though writing for Prometheus began in the early 2000's. Would have been interesting to see what he could have added to the films storyline. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 11:49am - KEVORD ""] But when Ripleys team arrive on the planet searching for the crew of the Prometheus they end up searching the ship not the hive correct? Been a few years since I watched Alien? |
| _________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 11:51am - MikeOv ""] I want to say that is correct, because that's where they come across what was once believed to be the exo-skeleton of the space jockey, in his control seat. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 11:55am - KEVORD ""] That would leave me to believe Alien Queen from Engenier. The mural on the wall I just thought was Gigers style which the queen also happens to be. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 12:00pm - MikeOv ""] The only change to what you said earlier Kev is that the Nostromo received an unknown distress signal from the derelict alien space craft, not from the Prometheus crew. I know Shaw and David took off in one of their ships but the ship that the Nostromo crew investigates contains a dead space jockey, with evidence of chestbursting |
| ________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 12:07pm - KEVORD ""] But didn't they retrieve Shaws message she left at the end or do I remember that incorrectly |
| ________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 12:11pm - KEVORD ""] I really need to go back and watch Alien with a fine tooth comb. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 12:20pm - chernobyl ""] We will find out more about the origin of the xenomorph if there is a sequel, which i hope to baphomet there is. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 12:54pm - trioxin245 ""] man this thread is out of hand you guys are NEEEERDS |
| __________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 2:09pm - chernobyl ""] I love this movie. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 2:11pm - trioxin245 ""] going to see later tonight. Psyched. Havnt been actually excited for a movie in theatres since High School High. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 2:15pm - chernobyl ""] Don't see it in 3D, 3D is annoying. |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 9,2012 3:00pm - joeyvsdavidlopan ""] I don't think they receive Shaw's message in Alien as far as I know, and I know they just say it's a distress signal. I actually liked the 3D, rather than having gimmicky bullshit like My Bloody Valentine it added a lot of depth to the scenes. I also didn't think of that chestburster at the end as the queen, but that makes perfect sense because it could've found another ship (since there were multiple) and laid its eggs, so when an Engineer came out of stasis (which I assume there were more in the other ships), it would be walking around and be impregnated, so when it tried to leave it'd pop during takeoff and bam, there's your Alien ship. It also wouldn't surprise me if LV223 is just a made up name by Weyland (or if the name was changed from LV223 to LV426) because nobody in Alien has any clue of anything happening, but Ash has specific instructions to get a specimen back to Earth. Fuck, this thing isn't going to let me think straight for the next few days. Putting Alien on ASAP. |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 10,2012 12:26am - the_reverend ""] Ugh.. I neeeeeeed to see this |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 10,2012 2:43am - Ripley Scott ""] SPOILERS Thoughts: Engineers are a race so advanced, they can create organic nano-technology to reprogram DNA. In the beginning sequence, the liquid is used by an Engineer being left behind by a ship to deconstruct his own DNA, which he then dove into the water. From water came life, from life came the evolution of man. They were seeding our (or any other) planet with life, created in their own image. The xenomorph is a biologically engineered weapon, capable of wiping out an entire planet of human life. As evident by the cave paintings on earth, throughout history the Engineers have visited us to check on our progress and guide us. Shaw was desperate to know: What happened? Why did the engineers change their minds about us? This is important: start thinking about the dates. Xenomorph was the black goo. Instead of being programmed to transform whatever DNA into us, human life, this time it was programmed to turn US into xenomorphs. Basically the black goo turns anything it contacts into an acid spitting, aggressive, killing machine. One thing, to control xenomorphs, they have NO REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM. They simply transform, kill everything, and die. So from the logs that David observes, we see two events: First, we see that something goes wrong, and Engineers are fleeing madly while doors are being sealed. Second, (which is actually FIRST), we see Engineers target Earth for execution via xenomorph and plotting a course. So at some point after targeting earth and before actually launching the ship, the xenomorph fluid production went wrong. Somehow, in the same way Shaw was impregnated, an Engineer got infected with the liquid. Since their DNA is identical, they're susceptible. Once infected the cycle began, xenos and facehuggers infected the crew and became able to reproduce, tearing through all the engineers, as we see in the other log David plays back. So the xeno's got loose, Infected and killed the engineers, who fled. The doors were sealed, (decapitating one), and the surviving Engineers managed to contain and eradicate the Xeno infestation. The sole remaining Engineer stacked up the bodies of his deceased comrades (the pile of dead, chest bursted Engineers), and puts himself into stasis until the Engineers can rescue him from his post on this base/moon. So questions: 1 - Why did the Engineer, when awakened, go apeshit and try and kill everyone? 2 - Why did the Engineers decide to wipe out the human race? 3 - What is the ship that Ripley and crew discover in the Alien movie, filled with eggs - which must be laid by a queen, which as we know come out of FEMALE humans. 1 - The Engineer realized very quickly that if there were humans on the ship, that the chance of re-infection or outbreak was great. We don't know what David says. For example, since he knowingly infected Holloway with the xeno-fluid he may have thought he was doing the Engineer's bidding and said he had infected the humans. The engineer immediately tried to kill them all before another outbreak could kill him. 2 - The outbreak on the ship, and the plotting course for Earth to infect us with the xeno "virus", occurred around 2000 years ago, according to the carbon date of the dead Engineer. Since the film takes place around 2090, that would be right around ... So if the Engineers came to check up on us periodically, and at some point the visiting engineer found us so hostile that despite his "godly" power we decided to nail him to a stick, and kill him for all to see. That might piss the Engineers off a bit. Enough, maybe, to call off the whole Human experiment and wipe us all out of creation, before we could grow any more and wipe them out like we did their ambassador. 3 - What is the ship found by Ripley in the first movie? The ship contains EGGS, not liquid like this ship did. What lays eggs? Queens. Where do queens come from? Human females. What human female got infected? SHAW. But she gave birth to the giant facesucker, right? Shaw, after removing the mass, continued having massive stomache pains. Shaw had twins. She was not only impregnated with the facehugger, but also a queen. Remember, she c-sectioned, that creature had not come to full term. The queen, at that point, was missed. That's why her stomach still hurt. Shaw steals alien ship. Shaw shows, as she leaves, that she is fond of leaving distress signals. In this case, it's a recorded warning to stay away. Shaw is still infected, and alone with David on the alien ship. Gives birth to queen, manages to eek out a recording as she dies and the ship crashes on LV223's nearby neighbor LV426. So where's David? Where did the Engineer with the chest burst come from in Alien? If there were other ships on LV223, there might have been other Engineers in stasis on those ships. When the xeno queen has killed Shaw and laid it's eggs, it is left to starve and die. David in this time manages to repair himself, and awakens another Engineer in hopes of having him pilot him away. However once the human/Engineer DNA is present, an Egg hatches and impregnates the Engineer. Engineer dies, the new xeno also starves, and 30 years later the first Alien movie takes place. Remember, while it seems like the Space Jockey was ancient and petrified in Alien, we learn in Prometheus this is just a sealed bone-like space suit, not fossil like they assumed. It's actually only been there 30 years. Who put the remaining eggs in Stasis as they are later found ? David, using the same weird blue light technology he first notices in the Engineer ship in Promethius. Where'd he go afterwards? PROMETHEUS 2. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 10,2012 9:16am - SkinSandwich ""] [/endthread] |
| _______________________________________________ [Jun 10,2012 9:33am - joeyvsdavidlopan nli ""] Holy shit. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 10,2012 10:33am - MikeofDecrepitude ""] Ripley%20Scott said: 3 - What is the ship found by Ripley in the first movie? The ship contains EGGS, not liquid like this ship did. What lays eggs? Queens. Where do queens come from? Human females. What human female got infected? SHAW. But she gave birth to the giant facesucker, right? Shaw, after removing the mass, continued having massive stomache pains. Shaw had twins. She was not only impregnated with the facehugger, but also a queen. Remember, she c-sectioned, that creature had not come to full term. The queen, at that point, was missed. That's why her stomach still hurt. Shaw steals alien ship. Shaw shows, as she leaves, that she is fond of leaving distress signals. In this case, it's a recorded warning to stay away. Shaw is still infected, and alone with David on the alien ship. Gives birth to queen, manages to eek out a recording as she dies and the ship crashes on LV223's nearby neighbor LV426. "What lays eggs? Queens. Where do queens come from? Human females." It might be erroneous to suggest that queens exclusively come from bursting out of females. For example, in Alien Resurrection, when Ripley tells Larry Purvis, the unwitting test subject, that he had a chestburster inside of him, she ominously states "It's a nasty one". Aren't most drone/warriors all "nasty"? She could be implying that it was a queen. I'm not saying it's a queen, but it's a queen "Shaw, after removing the mass, continued having massive stomache pains. " In my opinion, her pain stems from post-op complications due to an impromptu cesarean section. Little time was taken to prep herself for the procedure and she was forced to rush it, in order to get the primordial facehugger out of her body. Immediately after, she was stapled right up. Women require recuperation after c-section; rest, pain meds, etc. Shaw troops right through it and then has to go directly back into survival mode. She couldn't afford to find a bed to simply rest in. "Shaw had twins. She was not only impregnated with the facehugger, but also a queen. Remember, she c-sectioned, that creature had not come to full term. The queen, at that point, was missed. That's why her stomach still hurt." ??? If there was proof that she birthed a queen or even a drone xenomorph ON TOP of the facehugger, I completely missed that and I was paying as much attention to detail as I possibly could. "Shaw is still infected." With what, exactly? How do we know that? |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 10,2012 10:46am - MikeofDecrepitude ""] Let's not forget that Shaw was also infertile, so if she could give birth to not one but two mutinous creatures, then she really hit the jackpot of biological miracles (or rather nightmares). |