If you want tickets for iwrestledabearonce on 4/8 in Melrose, MA[views:64549][posts:347]__________________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:35pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] ITT: SOUND BUSINESS DECISIONS |
| __________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:35pm - thirsty ""] Ok... |
| __________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:36pm - thirsty ""] and its ITE asshole |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:38pm - archaeon ""] It's not the bands job to sell tickets, there no argument there. SELL 20 TICKETS SO YOU CAN PLAY AT 2:00 PM TO 5 PEOPLE AND BEFORE 26 OTHER BANDS. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:39pm - thirsty ""] They are playing around 6p, and playing probably in front of 150+ people. It is part of the bands job to sell tickets. Like i said if you dont want to sell the tickets, dont play the show. everyone has choices. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:41pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] I didn't know the acronym for "In This Thread" was ITE. Then again, I didn't think losing money for two years was something to brag about. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:42pm - thirsty ""] Its not something to brag about, its a reason to make bands sell tickets though. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:44pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] Or it's a reason to book touring bands who can draw or book a smaller or cheaper room. We're talking quantum mechanics here. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:46pm - thirsty ""] U must book a lot of shows, seems like you have a lot of knowledge... |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:46pm - archaeon ""] thirsty said:They are playing around 6p, and playing probably in front of 150+ people. It is part of the bands job to sell tickets. Like i said if you dont want to sell the tickets, dont play the show. everyone has choices. because people show up to 150+ are going to show up to a show at 6 on a Wednesday to see some band they don't give a shit about? It's NEVER the band's job to sell tickets. ever. Promoters just figured they could trick bands into thinking its the ONLY way they can get on decent shows. I was convinced of this in my early musical career and soon found out through mark's showplace that it is all bullshit. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:48pm - thirsty ""] Doors open at 445pm, there will be people there. I wont argue about who's job it is to sell tickets. I am definetely not Marks showplace. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:48pm - Dave_Maggot ""] iwrestledagrantonce |
| __________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:49pm - thirsty ""] the crowd is not going to be people over the age of 30 either so im guessing you wont make it. Kids that are 16-19 years old will be there, just because you dont like the music does not mean people wont be there. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:52pm - archaeon ""] I'm 18 for you information buster. I like good music, and pop punk. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:53pm - RustyPS ""] archaeon said:I like good music, and pop punk. good thing you separated the two.....JAYKAY |
| __________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:53pm - thirsty ""] haha ok my fault. I still think your wrong about bands selling tickets. But thats just an opinion. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:55pm - thirsty ""] Pop punk...hey i have and a loss for words playing in manchester 50 tickets!!! interested??? JUST KIDDING.. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:56pm - archaeon ""] thirsty said:haha ok my fault. I still think your wrong about bands selling tickets. But thats just an opinion. We'll of course you do, you're a promoter. It makes your job A LOT easier. To the point where you basically don't have to do any promoting because you have a bunch of pawns that get next to nothing out of it doing the dirty work for you. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:57pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] thirsty said:U must book a lot of shows, seems like you have a lot of knowledge... Oh sorry great promoter from on high, I have quite a bit to learn from someone who fancies himself a super serious rock promoter but can't break even for two fucking years. I said it ages ago and I'll say it again BobNOMAAMRooney%20nli said:If the national act can't draw maybe it's the club's lack of promotion and that band's lack of a fanbase. Shouldn't a "big national act" like Nile be able to draw enough people to cover their costs and make the club a profit? If not then maybe the club should STOP MAKING STUPID FUCKING BUSINESS DECISIONS I love how all the promoters pull the "this is a business you just don't understand" card whenever a band calls bullshit on pay to play. Well if you're going to run it as a business, you book the fucking bands who draw enough to make a PROFIT. I know plenty of people who run businesses and all of them share one thing in common, they won't take on a job if they don't stand to make a profit. Does my fucking mechanic do work on exotic cars on the cheap because Ferrari's are a big draw and then gouge me on my fucking Subaru? Does my uncle lower his costs for some rich bastard who wants his house painted because the house is on the town's list of historic sites and therefore more prestigious? Absolutely not, because anyone who runs an actual business (not playing around with the strip club or Lyons Group's cash and acting important) knows that sound business decisions are what keep them afloat. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 10:57pm - archaeon ""] thirsty said:Pop punk...hey i have and a loss for words playing in manchester 50 tickets!!! interested??? JUST KIDDING.. lol my pop punk band has already vowed to never sell tickets under ANY circumstances, EVER. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 11:03pm - Dave_Maggot ""] grant will your pop punk band play with me? you just gotta sell 100 tickets. c'mon, i just bought the neverland ranch for wicked cheap. it'll be worth it. ;) |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 11:05pm - archaeon ""] as long as theres some JB there. thats another thing we vowed to, no touching girls over the age of 15 |
| ________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 11:10pm - Murph ""] I really couldn't care less either way. I just remember selling tickets a few times to play off-date national shows at the Living Room, like maybe 50-75 tickets, and then watch all my friends who bought the tickets leave after we played. So, at least in my tenure of playing with nationals many times, selling tickets and not selling tickets, if someone wants to see the national acts, selling tickets does nothing but make things easier for the promoter, not ANY of the bands. I can't speak for the rest of my band, but if I want to play a show, and it requires selling tickets, I could care less either way. I know who it is helping, but I guess I just don't give a shit...there are definitely bands (Cult of Luna, cough cough) that I would play with even if selling tickets was asked for by the promoter, and definitely would not deter me or make me puff my (bird)chest and get mad about. |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 11:23pm - josh_hates_you ""] metal bands would be better at selling tickets if they stopped playing dungeons and dragons and left the basement once in a while. |
| _________________________________________________ [Mar 24,2009 11:53pm - AfterWorldObliteration ""] im gunna go ahead and say that since im 16, the rest of the bands no 16+ rule is invalid. ill just vow that if theyre old enough to pee, too damn old for me. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 1:42am - ryan_nli ""] i have not read this whole thread, so excuse me if this has been said and defended already... but if this "bear" band is so important, then the promoters should have enough confidence that this band will draw, and not make kids pay their gurantee. and there are plenty of "promoters" who dont "pay to play" putting on your own shows is not a thing of the past. but i wish sub par bands that convince themselves that doing a promoters work for them would become a thing of the past. I can't understand why all these bands today feel the need to do this. so little bands have any real work ethic anymore. they expect everything to be handed to them, or that they have to pay for good things to happen. maybe more bands should spend more time writing credible music that people give a shit about, than trying to hawk tickets to a show that no one gives a fuck about. then if you write good music, good things will happen naturally. end rant. sorry. |
| _____________________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 1:56am - keynotecompany_nli ""] First of all pay to play and selling tickets is a difference. Paying to play to me is straight up buying onto a show paying x amount of dollers to play with x band. Tickets you are selling to people... assuming you sell them... so it's not pay to play because in theory no money should be coming out of your pocket at any point unless you pay upfront. I've done shows with tickets and without and never lost more than $50 on a show (still amazes me). If you know where bands should play and what bands draw, then booking shows isn't rocket science. It's exactly as stated earlier if you don't think the bands will draw and the guarantee is huge... DONT BOOK IT. Nobody is forcing anyone to book a band just because they are on x label. Who cares. As a promoter yes I make money, sometimes a lot of it on some nights. For some people it's a job and that's how it has to be for them. There's more bands than there are places to play and on these touring band shows sometimes bands come to me willing to sell tickets. Why would I refuse guaranteed people/income into a show? I wouldn't. When you do it for a job you can't always risk losing $1000's of dollars a night. Sometimes those 25-100 presales can go a long way. Also a lot of the bands selling tickets are younger bands. I believe they should sell tickets because they are new to music and they have their friends/family that will come out to see them. It showcases work ethic. Bands I'm not familiar with that sell tickets and get the people out help me out because now I know they can draw. I also tend to book bands from different areas so ticket sales bring new people into my area. That's not to say I don't promote. Just because I have bands sell tickets doesn't mean I'm not out at other shows meeting people, passing out fliers, seeing new bands, etc. It takes work, but if you work at it you learn what works and what doesn't. Selling tickets is effective to me. I'm sure people will have a lot to say back to me if they even bother to read it, but there's my 2 years of experience with booking. You can disagree, but I think most people can vouch that I've had solid shows, that are good times. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 1:56am - ryan_nli ""] also, you cant pay your dues with dollars. you pay your dues by sleeping in vans, and working your way up the hard way. not being spoiled. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 6:34am - thirsty ""] The solution : Dont advertise ticket's to a show on RTTP. Use other avenues that are more friendly. And like i said if you dont want to sell the tickets, there is another band behind you that does. Get over yourself. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 7:28am - W3 @ work ""] LOL @ faggots all over this thread and people taking themselves waaaaaaaay too seriously. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 8:19am - archaeon ""] Promoters are so clueless now that they've now actually convinced themselves that selling tickets isn't a scam. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 25,2009 8:24am - Pires ""] my question is: if a band fails to sell any tickets, do they still get to play the show? |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 8:34am - W3 @ work ""] Pires said:my question is: if a band fails to sell any tickets, do they still get to play the show? d'uh dood it's not pay to play so of course if they don't sell all the tickets they just have to hand over the cash to cover the rest of the tickets before their time slot. big difference between pay to play. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 8:38am - largefreakatzero ""] Last time I checked this is a band's "job": -Buy a fuckload of gear -Practice, practice, practice 2-3x/week -Load all gear and band members into vehicle(s) -Travel ___ hours and arrive to show on time -Unload all said gear -Wait around for hours to play for 30 minutes (if lucky) -Break down and reload all gear in vehicle(s) -Travel____hours back to jam space -Reload all equipment Promotor's job: -Book show and promote |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 8:43am - W3 @ work ""] woah woah woah you have to practice and get to the shows up on time. what the fuck is this hitler nazi bullshit |
| _________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 8:46am - reimroc ""] ryan_nli said: maybe more bands should spend more time writing credible music that people give a shit about, than trying to hawk tickets to a show that no one gives a fuck about. then if you write good music, good things will happen naturally. end rant. sorry. people give a shit about this band. its that most of the people here don't |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 8:55am - aaron_michael ""] this whole thread is full of lulz. especially the boner who's pulling the "say it to my face" act over the internet. I'm actually gonna post to say Thirsty is a good guy. He's always been fair to us and helped us out with some good shows, even when we're just happy to play. He's never asked us to sell tickets, and his joint company(Free For All?) just gave us tickets, and said whatever we sold was cool and we didn't have to pony up the difference. Personally, I'm not down for the pay-to-play business, but from the way I've seen Thirsty work, he's usually pretty fair about dealing with new bands. Maybe pay-to-play one show, awesome time slot on another. Anyways, p2p is silly goose jocking for a constant basis. I Wrestled a Bear Once is silly. Period. .....anyone want to buy a ticket for the Psyopus shows? baaaaahhhhh! |
| ________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 9:08am - xmikex ""] Pay to play: Paying X amount of money to a promoter to get on a show so a promoter can wipe his hands of responsibility. Selling tickets: Having your friends pay X amount of money to a promoter to get on a show so a promoter can wipe his hands of responsibility. Huuuuge diff. The mere fact that Thirsty and his whopping "2 years" of booking experience (LOL) stood up for these naive little kids in their little little band in their little little world tells the whole tale. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 9:09am - largefreakatzero ""] I don't know the dude, but I laughed at the "2 years" comment too. I guess that's a long time for some people. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 9:17am - aaron_michael ""] Dave_Maggot said:who wrestled a bear once? it's me. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 9:20am - dreadkill ""] ITT: merge simpsons |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 9:20am - dreadkill ""] igrantedmypantsonce |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 9:21am - aaron_michael ""] iateasandwichonce |
| ________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 9:52am - xmikex ""] dreadkill said:ITT: merge simpsons hahaha I caught that too. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 9:58am - DYA NLI ""] Starting a thread on RTTP about pay to play and deathcore bands is like pissing on a wasp nest and also an electric fence. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 10:08am - xmikex ""] DYA%20NLI said:Starting a thread on RTTP about pay to play and deathcore bands is like pissing on a wasp nest and also an electric fence. Pissing on a wasp nest on an electric fence and then getting mad when radioactive wasps sting you in the dick. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 10:11am - W3 @ work ""] xmikex said:radioactive wasps sting you in the dick. im sure there's people out there who would pay for that. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 11:33am - thirsty ""] If a band pays me out of pocket, thats their fault. I ask them to sell tickets not to pay me to play a show, i want people to go to shows....and losing money on locals...Yes i am still here, cuz i care...So solid business decision..Maybe not for you, but it is for me. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 25,2009 11:39am - BSV ""] Wolves%20of%20Wysteria said:Putting on your own shows is a thing of the past. Promoters are around for a reason. Child, you are out of touch. This is the problem with the nu wave of metalcore...it's full of people who can't make decisions on their own. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 25,2009 11:42am - W3 @ work ""] I'm not a decision maker, I am the decider |