Anti - "Pay-to-play"[views:14010][posts:54]___________________________________ [Jan 15,2010 10:24am - aegathis ""] i dont really get the argument here, this other dude wants to set up shows and his own band doesnt have to sell tickets. Makes sense to me, hes starting it he can do what ever the hell he wants. in the end he will get fucked the hardest if not enough money is being made, im sure before then he'll realize it might be a good idea to sell some just in case. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 15,2010 10:35am - arktouros ""] Here's what will happen - he will end up selling tickets to get people to show up. the other bands will also tell him that not selling tickets for your own shows is fucking lame, and they won't want to do his work for him after a while. That's IF his band stays together long enough.. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 15,2010 10:47am - Rocko‘s ""] xmikex said:Friend: Hai. I'm thinking about booking a pay 2 play show! You: Do you want to end up like some kind of pedophile that books 15 year olds to play with the Acacia Strain at Rockos so you can sniff their little sisters' hair? Friend: ....Ya. You: Well then you're on the right track. Only Blood Will Tell played with Acacia Strain - They are not 15 ( Last time i checked ) and they did not pay to play. Unfortunately none of their sisters came so i was not able to sniff their hair. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 15,2010 10:47am - JustinSteele ""] t2daeek said: metal_church101 said:[QUOTE="ouchdrummer:1028590 What it comes down to is that the booker/promoter can do things however they want to, if the bands don't like their style, don't play those shows. yep. if you think the show's gonna "help you make it big" then do it. if you're not concerned with that then don't play. i hate gigs where we pay to play, mostly because i live 2 hours roughly from the places we've done that for and i can't sell tix for that shit and i can't convince people to drive that and pay teh dollars. i usually end up making my contribution by buying my girlfriend a ticket and calling it a day while aaron goes to malls and blows little boys (i would assume... why would they come see us otherwise?) so they'll buy tickets. works out nice. I agree with my astute bass player: Agree to play these shows then have Tim, Aaron and Gibbs sell all the tickets - It hasn't failed me yet and it ain't gonna fail me next time. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 15,2010 1:16pm - fishcakes ""] what's the name of his band? |
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| _________________________________ [Jan 16,2010 6:36am - cchang ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:You won't get through to your friend, Martins, because in this scenario, for him, this is a sweet deal. The bands do all the work, cover the cost of the show, and he just shows up and rocks. Pay-To-Play is ethically wrong because it makes the workers pay to work. Any other job that did that would receive such a high level of protest that no one would ever get it to come together, but because performing music comes with a "rush", because it provides "creative fufillment", and because most musicians are used to losing out in the end, they somehow legitimize greedy behavior by actually giving someone money so they can get a job. Imagine being a chef that had to pay the restaurant every time he cooked a meal? And couldn't recoup on his overhead? That wouldn't last long, I tells ya. At this point in time, there is so much exploitation and downfall in the music industry that I don't even know where to begin. It's a million fish in a pond big enough for a hundred. A ratio such as this will always put ideas, schemes, plans in the minds of people looking to rip other people off. It can't go back to the "old days" where there was 6 bands in a 100 mile radius so you the odds were in the bands' favor. Being in a band is not a job its a hobby. You cant really compare the two. Hobbies cost money. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 17,2010 2:55am - douchebag_patrol ""] [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 17,2010 3:57am - Sacreligion ""] cchang said:Being in a band is not a job its a hobby. You cant really compare the two. Hobbies cost money. Obviously you are a hobby rocker and wouldn't understand what it's like to work in the "biz" |
| _________________________________ [Jan 17,2010 6:50am - cchang ""] Sacreligion said: cchang said:Being in a band is not a job its a hobby. You cant really compare the two. Hobbies cost money. Obviously you are a hobby rocker and wouldn't understand what it's like to work in the "biz" If you are not on tour playing sold out shows. This is a hobby. Wake up. Go get a job. |