the new Star Trek[views:11459][posts:55]____________________________________ [May 11,2009 1:41pm - arilliusbm ""] go see it even if you have no idea about star trek it's still an ok movie. definitely made for a new audience. I can see how it is pissing some hardcore trekkies off. a decent movie with a couple plot holes.. but the special effects were out-of-this-world (no pun inteded) |
| ___________________________________________ [May 11,2009 1:44pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] i have heard nothing but excellent reviews for this movie |
| ____________________________________ [May 11,2009 1:45pm - arilliusbm ""] it was definitely influenced by Star Wars on some parts as well. I think they're trying to swing some Star Wars fans over as well. one of the better movies this year by far. also, after viewing the T4 trailer again and after much deliberation within myself, I've decided that T4 doesn't look as promising. reason why? it looks like it takes place mostly during the day. one of the best things about 1&2 is that they take place mostly at night. they are dark movies. T3 was a day movie; didn't fit in at all. |
| _________________________________ [May 11,2009 1:48pm - RustyPS ""] I'm not a Trek fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I ended up seeing this on Saturday, and I really liked it. |
| _______________________________________ [May 11,2009 1:48pm - boblovesmusic ""] haha as a Star Trek fan, I both loved it and was kinda bothered by it. Well aspects I guess haha. Now I'm starting to "come to terms" with those aspects! haha |
| _______________________________________ [May 11,2009 1:49pm - thuringwethil ""] After that Transformers trailer was the GI Joe trailer they both had the same CGI explosions and pacing |
| ______________________________________________ [May 11,2009 1:49pm - DogbiteDaveHumphreys ""] I saw new Trek open in Chicago and had a blast. Kicks ass, solid solid movie (if you ignore plot problems, watch it like you read a comic and you'll do fine). |
| _______________________________________ [May 11,2009 1:49pm - thuringwethil ""] I thought they did it well. Nimoy had lots of screen time, which made me happy |
| ____________________________________ [May 11,2009 1:49pm - arilliusbm ""] they "modernized" the story and made every girl in the movie wear hot skirts. it's almost like a comic book flick, with spock being your hero. |
| _________________________________ [May 11,2009 1:50pm - RustyPS ""] thuringwethil said:After that Transformers trailer was the GI Joe trailer they both had the same CGI explosions and pacingI thought Transformers looked great, and GI Joe looked like shit |
| _______________________________________ [May 11,2009 1:53pm - thuringwethil ""] oh yeah Uhura was a hottie! |
| ____________________________________ [May 11,2009 1:54pm - arilliusbm ""] she's gotta be the hottest black chick I've ever seen. even though she's half black/latina I think |
| ___________________________________ [May 11,2009 2:04pm - narkybark ""] the movie was ok, I have problems with it but it served its purpose since I wanted to see more. I think a reboot was needed for the franchise anyway. |
| ______________________________________ [May 11,2009 2:05pm - the_reverend ""] I bet sylar does some freeky things. |
| ____________________________________ [May 11,2009 2:11pm - arilliusbm ""] there were a number of problems: (spoilers below) 1.) not too sure how I feel about Spock going back in time, etc. 2.) some parts reminded me way too much of star wars (random alien guy at the bar, spock/yoda similarities, monsters on a snow world with a snow cave - Hoth much?) 3.) could have found a better Russian actor instead of that annoying kid 4.) not enough character development for the antagonists 5.) some of it reminded me of Starship Troopers. just some parts were a little cheesy. 6.) they should have destroyed the drill in the first place 7.) we need more Cho 8.) NO KLINGONS AT ALL IN THE MOVIE, ONLY MENTIONS OF THEM All in all, it was a decent movie despite that. it's what the franchise needed. |
| _________________________________ [May 11,2009 2:19pm - RustyPS ""] arilliusbm said:6.) they should have destroyed the drill in the first place didn't the drill disable everything on the ship, including the weapons? I though that was why they did it that way first (that and the rest of the movie might've been shot if they destroyed the drill off the bat) arilliusbm said:8.) NO KLINGONS AT ALL IN THE MOVIE, ONLY MENTIONS OF THEM I found that weird too |
| _______________________________________ [May 11,2009 2:50pm - thuringwethil ""] they made Winona Ryder look super old in that movie |
| ___________________________________ [May 11,2009 2:51pm - narkybark ""] I have read that there was a scene cut where Nero (during the 25 year wait) got imprisoned on Rura Penthe, so I would imagine there'd be klingons there. Also remember this is during a time period where klingons are enemies. |
| ____________________________________ [May 11,2009 3:08pm - arilliusbm ""] I was hoping to see at least one Klingon. They are the best. Worf's double-fisted punch actually works really well in real-life. |
| ______________________________________ [May 11,2009 3:29pm - the_reverend ""] 8.) NO KLINGONS AT ALL IN THE MOVIE, ONLY MENTIONS OF THEM aren't they at war with the klingons that this point? I don't really know star trek, but I thought they were. |
| ____________________________________ [May 11,2009 3:34pm - arilliusbm ""] yes, klingons were at war with humans for quite sometime. they are now allied with them. I just wanted to see a Klingon, that's all. there were too many strange/random/weird alien things/species in this movie.. much like star wars |
| ______________________________________ [May 11,2009 3:36pm - the_reverend ""] I heard a review that says there are a few scenes like the catina in starwars, but only enough to annoy trekkies not movie watchers. |
| _____________________________________ [May 11,2009 3:36pm - Bob Barker ""] the_reverend said:8.) NO KLINGONS AT ALL IN THE MOVIE, ONLY MENTIONS OF THEM aren't they at war with the klingons that this point? I don't really know star trek, but I thought they were. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Federation-Klingon_War_(2267) |
| ____________________________________ [May 11,2009 3:44pm - arilliusbm ""] nothing as far-fetched as the cantina scene (aliens playing instruments, etc.) but a similar scene nonetheless. it's a bar in Iowa where Kirk goes to and meets up with some federation officers. there's some strange looking humanoid aliens in there, which could piss some trekkie's off. I think they borrowed heavily from Star Wars here. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 1,2009 11:12am - darkwornli ""] saw it last night - GREAT FUCKIN MOVIE that's all i have to say. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 1,2009 11:22am - FuckIsMySignature ""] shoulda saw this instead of T4 |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 2,2009 12:12pm - boblovesmusic ""] [img] |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 30,2010 2:34am - the_reverend ""] just put it on. 15 minutes in and it's like wowsers |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 30,2010 2:38am - the_reverend ""] weird that "someone" thinks that scifi is dead... this syfy is awesome. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 30,2010 4:24am - the_reverend ""] what was old spock's last line when he was above the ceremony? I rewound it like 3 times and couldn't make it out. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 30,2010 4:26am - the_reverend ""] ok, turned my TV up to 100% and rewound a couple more times "trust is unflugh" um.. what? |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 30,2010 1:53pm - AndrewBastard ""] you couldnt understand it over Leonards fucking dentures. All that guy does is try to keep those in place while he speaks... |
| _________________________________ [Jan 30,2010 2:03pm - Doomkid ""] This movie really impressed me. I am a huge Trekkie for TNG, DS9, and Voyager but never got into the original series. This really brought the original character set to a new generation in a great way. Plus Sylar as Spock was sick. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 30,2010 2:14pm - arilliusbm ""] the_reverend said:weird that "someone" thinks that scifi is dead... this syfy is awesome. scifi isnt dead.. It's just switching gears. This movie was an exception, definitely one of the best movies this past year |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 30,2010 3:38pm - boblovesmusic ""] Doomkid said:This movie really impressed me. I am a huge Trekkie for TNG, DS9, and Voyager but never got into the original series. This really brought the original character set to a new generation in a great way. Plus Sylar as Spock was sick. IT'S A FAAKKKEEE! |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 30,2010 5:38pm - the_reverend ""] idk think that sylar made a good spock until they were face 2 face. same noses. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 1:59pm - arktouros ""] arilliusbm said:there were a number of problems: (spoilers below) 1.) not too sure how I feel about Spock going back in time, etc. 2.) some parts reminded me way too much of star wars (random alien guy at the bar, spock/yoda similarities, monsters on a snow world with a snow cave - Hoth much?) 3.) could have found a better Russian actor instead of that annoying kid 4.) not enough character development for the antagonists 5.) some of it reminded me of Starship Troopers. just some parts were a little cheesy. 6.) they should have destroyed the drill in the first place 7.) we need more Cho 8.) NO KLINGONS AT ALL IN THE MOVIE, ONLY MENTIONS OF THEM 1) trek has always been very liberal with time travel and they do it in many ways (warp, transwarp, borg portals, the end of voyager, wormholes, etc...) and this isn't the first time that trek has pulled the "meeting your older self" trick. 2) the random alien guy at the bar is MORNE from deep space 9. there are at least a couple episodes based on him. he is in most bar scenes and never says a word. i won't even get into how yoda is a ripoff of spock. the ice planet - they needed some desolate place to dump kirk off, meet spock and put a federation outpost, i guess. jungle planet, desert planet, ice planet. it's all been done. trek > wars, etc etc 3) the kid had big shoes to fill and he did a good job. in the 60's series especially, chekov was crucial, having a russian on tv was huge. 4) i agree with this, but they really only needed some absolute evil psychopath who didn't need much development, just a thin back story. they had to use a romulan instead of a klingon, because the romulan would have had a connection to the vulcans and therefore destroying planet vulcan would have greater impact. 5) star trek is the king of cheese. i was surprised there was no obligatory phaser battle in some red rock canyon. 6) the drill's whatever field screwed with the enterprise sensors. LIKE ALWAYS. 7) no, we need more GAY ZULU 8) klingons weren't in the fight and would not have been interacting with the federation at that time. i just wanted to prove aril wrong two years later. just watched this again the other night, it still rules. everyone is onboard and working on a sequel due out next year. the only problem i have with the new cast, is it's cool they got john cho to play zulu, but out of respect to george takei, they should have made the character 100% more homosexual. in this timeline, vulcan is destroyed, and i'm curious to see where they go with that. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 2:02pm - arktouros ""] also, if they did a balls to the wall true star trek TV series with this formula, paramount would be once again swimming in lakes of cash. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 2:13pm - arktouros ""] arilliusbm said:there's some strange looking humanoid aliens OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT A GOLFER. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 29,2011 3:55pm - Mutis ""] 1) The time travel is my favorite part of the movie. They deviated (I hope) from the standard hollywood time travel rules a bit and split the Star Trek universe into two. There still exists the universe post-nemesis where romulus was destroyed, but now there's a new one where Vulcan was destroyed. 2) Coulda done without the snow monster. Morn rules though. 3) who cares? his acting was pretty good. 4) agreed. They should have worked the comic book material in there somehow. It takes place after Star Trek: Nemesis and before this movie. It also explains their sic tribal. 5) agree with ark 6) no comment 7) I think all the characters should be a little homo. It's the future. There's no lines anymore. 8) They probably didn't want to address how their appearances changed between TOS and TNG. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 3:57pm - ShadowSD ""] What they really should do is make a movie called TNG, but one that stays true to the TV series instead of the homogenized dreck the TNG movies became. Now THAT would be a movie. |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 4:05pm - arkquimanthorn ""] ShadowSD said:the homogenized dreck the TNG movies became. Now THAT would be a movie. I thought First Contact was okay, I haven't seen any other TNG ones. I got an HD torrent of all 11 films. Didn't bother with I. II and III are godly and among my favorite movies. IV was just a PSA about whales, awful. I tried to sit through V the other night, but it was total garbage and I gave up 20 minutes in. I have higher hopes for VI (The Undiscovered Country), watching that this weekend. |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 4:08pm - bloblovesmusic ""] The Undiscovered Country is my fav Star Trek movie just for the record! |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 4:13pm - arilliusbm ""] Will provide rebuttal when I get home and on computer. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 29,2011 4:40pm - Mutis ""] I thought first contact was great. The other three TNGs were pretty meh. There should have been a DS9 movie. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 4:42pm - Shanal ""] Loving this. I thought the movie was great...despite the lack of Klingons. The Klingons not being involved does, however, make a lot of sense in terms of continuity - at that juncture, I'm not even sure the Federation had made first contact with the Klingons yet. But, they COULD have included Klingons since it was a parallel timeline. That said, maintaining further continuity moving forward would have been a potential nightmare. As for the two timelines, one where Romulus is destroyed and one where Vulcan is...I think that's fascinating, because you could easily base a movie on reconciling the two in some fashion. I actually loved IV, psa's aside. "It's all that LDS he did in college" "They are not the hell your whales" |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 4:49pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] NERDS! |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 4:51pm - bloblovesmusic ""] Mutis said:There should have been a DS9 movie. I'd be so down for that! |
| ________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 5:26pm - Shanal ""] Fuck DS9. To boldly stay where no man has stayed before? |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 5:42pm - bloblovesmusic ""] clearly You haven't seen DS9 |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 5:46pm - swampthing ""] Shanal said:Loving this. The Klingons not being involved does, however, make a lot of sense in terms of continuity - at that juncture, I'm not even sure the Federation had made first contact with the Klingons yet. In 2151, humans made first contact with the Klingons in a cornfield in Broken Bow OK. The Klingon was shot by a farmer where he was later nursed back to health and returned to Qo'noS by Starfleet. This was about 100 years before Kirk and before the Federation existed. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 6:08pm - arilliusbm ""] arktouros said: arilliusbm said:there were a number of problems: (spoilers below) 1.) not too sure how I feel about Spock going back in time, etc. 2.) some parts reminded me way too much of star wars (random alien guy at the bar, spock/yoda similarities, monsters on a snow world with a snow cave - Hoth much?) 3.) could have found a better Russian actor instead of that annoying kid 4.) not enough character development for the antagonists 5.) some of it reminded me of Starship Troopers. just some parts were a little cheesy. 6.) they should have destroyed the drill in the first place 7.) we need more Cho 8.) NO KLINGONS AT ALL IN THE MOVIE, ONLY MENTIONS OF THEM 1) trek has always been very liberal with time travel and they do it in many ways (warp, transwarp, borg portals, the end of voyager, wormholes, etc...) and this isn't the first time that trek has pulled the "meeting your older self" trick. 2) the random alien guy at the bar is MORNE from deep space 9. there are at least a couple episodes based on him. he is in most bar scenes and never says a word. i won't even get into how yoda is a ripoff of spock. the ice planet - they needed some desolate place to dump kirk off, meet spock and put a federation outpost, i guess. jungle planet, desert planet, ice planet. it's all been done. trek > wars, etc etc 3) the kid had big shoes to fill and he did a good job. in the 60's series especially, chekov was crucial, having a russian on tv was huge. 4) i agree with this, but they really only needed some absolute evil psychopath who didn't need much development, just a thin back story. they had to use a romulan instead of a klingon, because the romulan would have had a connection to the vulcans and therefore destroying planet vulcan would have greater impact. 5) star trek is the king of cheese. i was surprised there was no obligatory phaser battle in some red rock canyon. 6) the drill's whatever field screwed with the enterprise sensors. LIKE ALWAYS. 7) no, we need more GAY ZULU 8) klingons weren't in the fight and would not have been interacting with the federation at that time. i just wanted to prove aril wrong two years later. just watched this again the other night, it still rules. everyone is onboard and working on a sequel due out next year. the only problem i have with the new cast, is it's cool they got john cho to play zulu, but out of respect to george takei, they should have made the character 100% more homosexual. in this timeline, vulcan is destroyed, and i'm curious to see where they go with that. First off, thank you for flexing your Trekkie knowledge muscles for everyone, even with generalities stated. It far outweighs mine, as I stopped watching and/or caring about Star Trek after TNG ceased. I'm with Shane, fuck DS9. I know a lot of people enjoyed it, but I saw one episode and went back to watching reruns of the original series and TNG. I never considered myself a Trekkie per se and just had a general interest in it, considering I love sci-fi and grew up watching TNG. But not once did I ever obsess over it. I'm a traditionalist: anything after TNG is false IMHO. That being said, here is a slight rebuttal at best, and I hope no offense shall be taken: 1) Indeed. But I wasn't exactly sure how I felt about this part of the story when the movie came out. After giving it some thought, though, I chose to accept it rather than frown upon it. I kind of sneered at the idea when I saw it in the movie. 2) Don't care for MORN, don't care for DS9. I thought the scene was straight-up homage to SW, and unlike anything I've ever seen in a ST episode or movie. If there was one scene that this was made to appeal to a new generation of fans, then I'd pick this as being in the top 5. Frankly, I could give a rat's ass about any alien race they created after TNG. And yes, Snow monster = more homage to SW, trying to draw some SW fans over to the Trek. Everything's been done, but I still think that was blatantly obvious. 3) Kid was annoying and did a bad job, important role or not. Of course, this is subjective. 4) Nothing to say, it had its flaws with character development. 5) King of Cheese? In some ways, yes. In other ways, no. This movie had some uncharacteristic cheesiness in it, at least I thought that when I saw it. Haven't seen it in a while though, and am looking forward to watching it again. 6) Obviously this happens. Suspense. 7) Needs more Cho. Needs more Harold and Kumar. Needs more Asians. 8) While that is true, it would have been nice to actually SEE their rendition of a Klingon at some point in the movie, whether it be through a cut-scene or something. Even though it wouldn't add to the plot of the movie, Klingons are kvlt. I guess it makes sense though, because they'd want to build up future interest for other movies. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 6:13pm - ShadowSD ""] arkquimanthorn said: ShadowSD said:the homogenized dreck the TNG movies became. Now THAT would be a movie. I thought First Contact was okay, I haven't seen any other TNG ones First Contact was the best of the sorry bunch, but utterly mediocre and in many ways incredibly disappointing. It made the usual TNG movie mistakes of: 1. Placing Picard with a woman he has no chemistry with and making them have lots of awkward scenes together 2. Changing the look of the ship and the atmosphere that made the show work so well 3. Making Picard respond to an Admiral going down the wrong path by changing from the usual brilliant strategist on the TV show (consider the skill at every step of the game with which he had to challenge Admirals in the series who were wrong while staying in the framework of his rank) to a go it alone action movie guy who does whatever he wants, and then as he tries to sneak off to do something against the rules, the whole crew pops up and says "we're going with you!". I don't know whether to vomit or to lose IQ points more quickly when I watch those moments. 4. Which leads us to the general fact that the series was as much about posing questions for the person watching to contemplate again and again throughout the show, it was a fundamental part of what made it what it was. The movies are just an attempt to stick the TNG universe into dumbed down, homogenized Hollywood dreck. What's uniquely objectionable about First Contact? Well first off, The Borg, a race of automatons, now have a QUEEN for some reason, who imprisons us and Data in order to have a dozen boring and equally uncomfortable scenes with him (who would have thunk a perpetual threat of having human skin grafted on someone against their will wouldn't be a classic TNG plot?) Never mind the absolute shit unbelievable representation of the era where the warp barrier is broken (Zephyrn Cochran, fucking please) - not to mention the attitude of the TNG characters riding with him and their sudden lack of caring about messing with the timeline. FAIL |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 6:14pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] ya i have a feeling Klingons will be the next film |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 6:29pm - arilliusbm ""] Old News but still a classic: bennyhillifier |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 6:33pm - bobnomaamrooney ""] bennyhillifier |