local bands asking for guarantees for local shows[views:18652][posts:59]________________________________________ [Jul 22,2011 10:28am - Blessed_Offal ""] xgodzillax said:and if you believe that post, and have some snarky response, you need to be slapped by eric paones girlfriends bare cunt. come on dude, NOONE deserves that. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 22,2011 10:57am - ShadowSD ""] I remember the first time we had to play a whole night ourselves, it was at this place called the Blue Tree Cafe in Ansonia, CT near the beginning of 2003. We just played all our originals, covers we liked, and a couple improv jams here and there, broken up into three sets. All metal, but we have 90% clean vocals and lots of clean or melodic guitar parts so there was enough dynamics to balance it. We started to do this at a bunch of places, and while it's a long night (lug and set up PA, play for four hours including breaks, break down PA and get to sleep at 5 am), it was good to mix those in once in a while with club shows because the pay was decent and it was a great time. The bars and the bar crowds expecting some half assed classic rock barely competent band were always pleasantly surprised by a metal band that was tight, we threw in War Pigs or Looks That Kill or House of the Rising Sun along with our own stuff and it all went over well. These days, we have two hours plus of originals, meaning we can practically play a full night just doing that at this point. I have to say, I LIKE playing a long set, and being able to take a break with a drink and a few rips before going back up there is a great fucking time. |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 22,2011 12:10pm - eyehatehippies ""] Definitely depends on the show. I was always taught there are three good reasons to take a show: 1) For exposure 2) To play with a band that you really want to play with 3) For the money I weigh those three things over, and ask for guarantees accordingly. There are other reasons I take shows or ask for money as well, but those three things are generally the most important. And I always ask for a guarantee on local shows, but usually I'll take a door deal. A guarantee is just what I consider an "opening offer", I'll make my case of why we would need money to play the show, and the promoter is free to make his case as to why he does or does not want to pay us, and to make a counter offer. I then have the choice and freedom to either accept the counter offer, or to further haggle/barter/negotiate on the terms of the show. Either party has the choice and the freedom to decline or withdraw the offer at any time, up until an agreement is reached. Don't want to pay a band that asks for a guarantee for a local show? That's very simple, don't book them. If a band doesn't want to play shows where they are not given a guarantee by the promoters? That's very simple, decline to play shows unless you are paid. To me, it's personal choice, I'm not going judge a band based on how they choose to run things from a business standpoint. Everyone has their reasons, and their justifications. It's like Huck Finn always said, "You pays your money, and you takes your choice." |
| _________________________________ [Jul 22,2011 1:00pm - brodown ""] I have no problem asking for a guarantee or when a band asks me for one, depending on the situation. That being said, when I'm putting a show together, I almost never offer guarantees, and I usually won't agree to them if a band asks. That being said, I'll also pay bands from out of town out of pocket if I have to (very rare.) |
| ______________________________ [Jul 22,2011 1:08pm - Yeti ""] ShadowSD said:I remember the first time we had to play a whole night ourselves, it was at this place called the Blue Tree Cafe in Ansonia, CT near the beginning of 2003. We just played all our originals, covers we liked, and a couple improv jams here and there, broken up into three sets. All metal, but we have 90% clean vocals and lots of clean or melodic guitar parts so there was enough dynamics to balance it. We started to do this at a bunch of places, and while it's a long night (lug and set up PA, play for four hours including breaks, break down PA and get to sleep at 5 am), it was good to mix those in once in a while with club shows because the pay was decent and it was a great time. The bars and the bar crowds expecting some half assed classic rock barely competent band were always pleasantly surprised by a metal band that was tight, we threw in War Pigs or Looks That Kill or House of the Rising Sun along with our own stuff and it all went over well. These days, we have two hours plus of originals, meaning we can practically play a full night just doing that at this point. I have to say, I LIKE playing a long set, and being able to take a break with a drink and a few rips before going back up there is a great fucking time. long live the Turnhall. |
| __________________________________ [Jul 22,2011 2:38pm - ShadowSD ""] Here here. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jul 22,2011 2:40pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] only 14+ shows are real |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 22,2011 2:53pm - Lamp nli ""] If your band is capable of drawing people under 14, you're doing it wrong. |
| ________________________________________ [Jul 22,2011 3:06pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Lamp%20nli said:If your band is capable of drawing people under 14, you're doing it wrong. You gotta trick the parents into letting the kids bop with you! [img] |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 22,2011 3:07pm - RichHorror ""] Seth said:I would tell the bands to enjoy the exposure and what you get is what you get from a show. Not including if they sell merchandise or if they even get beers or gas money. It is better then nothing and if they are serious about shows, they will learn to play for free. It use to be about playing and getting known? We all had to do it at one point! LOL |