Discuss the inner workings of our music scene(s)[views:6573][posts:66]_______________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 3:28am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Okay, try this: If you were in a death metal band, would you want to play on jazz shows in east Cambridge? I never said the music didn't matter, of course it does. It matters to the people who are going to like it (aka; a market). |
| _____________________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 3:38am - apocalyptic hammer ""] actually,id love to play jazz shows in east cambridge! tell me where to sign! but,i see what your saying,i get a little worked up when people start talking about "image" and having a "message" because as far as i can see thats the whole friggin problem nowadays! but now that i actually read your post i see thats not what you were saying at all! |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 3:40am - SickSickSicks ""] I see what your saying Joe. At the same time I think its cool to take risks and try playing for different audiences who might have a few open minded individuals that might dig your style. Like we play thrash and black metal and stuff and mostly is looking to play metal shows. But wed also like trying a show with some punk or hardcore or even hard rock bands sometime if we get the chance. playing with emo bands on the other hand...hahaha....well....weve done that too sorta. interesting experience but yea, not exactly connecting with your target audience |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 8:48am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Joe/NotCommon said:Nick, to be honest, I don't recall the last time I saw you at a show that you guys didn't play. Maybe you aren't familiar with the bands or don't like them and thats perfectly fine. But I think starting a thread trying to identify the problems in the scene (and which scene are we talking anyways?), but not really supporting any shows, makes you seem a little arrogant. There could be shows you are attending that I just am not at, but that goes to the which scene are we talking about question. No you're right, I haven't been to very many since the Chopping Block stopped doing stuff and I could see it for free. I mean, my reasoning is that I don't have much money (and then when I am working to get money I can't be at the shows at the same time), free time (the kids all have projects due before winter break!), and since I hurt my hand I can't ride my bike anywhere till it gets better and I can work the hand breaks and hold the handlebars. What I need is loot and a car...then I'd be at more! |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 8:53am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] The last show I didn't play but attended was...lemme think...Maybe Harris at MassArt this summer? Perhaps? oh no wait it was Waltham in Waltham for that MADE screening. That was also this summer, like September I think. Yeah I don't go to a lot of metal shows when I don't like the bands. I like Teratism, Porphyria, Bugs & Rats, HBBSI, Nadir, etc etc but some stuff I don't know or don't care to see. I like the idea of supporting local music but not when I have to pay $8, which I wouldn't charge for a show I was doing unless I had to. The thing that makes it difficult on a promoters end is that with inflation, $6 doesn't cover much anymore, so we have to start asking for a bit more. I used to ask $3 for shows and I'd like to still do that but I doubt it's feasible. As for national music, I didn't grow up on death metal but I grew up with grind, pop punk, hardcore, and some country. I'd go to see that stuff if it was something that appealed to me, was close by, and was cost effective. OH! BTW last show I went to was NIN at The Fleet Center |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 11:13am - DestroyYouAlot ""] apocalyptic hammer said:Joe/NotCommon said:It all comes down to business terms, what is the market you are going for? nnnnhhhh! wrong again chief! it always has and always will be about the music! some" people" may seek to prfit by it but without the music there is no show therefore no promoters,no free guest lists and no nonmusician celebrities...take away the music and what have you got? dick. That was fucking retarded. apocalyptic hammer said:you got a little bit of an attitude over there chief! sorry,i wasnt taking a shot at you directly,but since your all fired up,please simplify it for me. Yeah, it pretty clearly was. apocalyptic hammer said:actually,id love to play jazz shows in east cambridge! tell me where to sign! but,i see what your saying,i get a little worked up when people start talking about "image" and having a "message" because as far as i can see thats the whole friggin problem nowadays! but now that i actually read your post i see thats not what you were saying at all! A "message". Oh, heavens, no, not that! Those guys are using the microphone to say something! Somebody stop them! |
| __________________________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 11:37am - my_pretentious_erection ""] ok anon, maybe this is a better way to say what i mean: if you only focus on the music, but don't incorperate the same passion into other parts of your life that you do the music, then you're an idiot. if you're in a metal band, but want nothing to do with metal outside of your own band, and people KNOW that, then they won't be interested. if your band is the only thing that matters because it's "only about the music" then you're missing half of what a band is about - the people in it. there's at least half a dozen local bands i don't like at all because i know who is in the band and know what they're like. i'm not going to a show to see some douchebags ( even if they are a decent band ) if i know they don't give a shit about anyone other than themselves or their "music". |
| ________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 12:26pm - Eddie ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:Eddie said:the_taste_of_cigarettes said:Eddie said:i'd rather just focus on the music what is this in response to? the whole thread in general So you're saying that if you just focus on the music you'll have a band, people will put you on shows, you'll get paid, respect, and everything you ever wanted...and everyone will be happy? yes i'd rather focus on the music rather than talk about all the problems in your scene. fuck off |
| ________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 12:27pm - Eddie ""] my_pretentious_erection said: image and attitude is just as important as the music. you also can fuck off |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 12:39pm - SacreligionNLI ""] people are bitching on a thread about how our scene works...that about says it all |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 12:46pm - ninkaszi ""] "Alot of people from alot of the local bands attend alot of shows, I know because I see them there. Bands who play together and like each other, more often then not seem to support each other even when their own band is not playing. So many people talk about 'supporting the scene' or unifying it or whatever, but to me it already seems to be that way." i completely agree with this. i can't get to every show but i try to make it out if i like the band. i have seen noosebomb/adolf satan/watchmaker/kevorkians angels/abhorred/hekseri/conifer/sin of angels, etc a million times and i will still go see them. some people dont realize how lucky they are to live in mass. |
| __________________________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 12:50pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Eddie said:the_taste_of_cigarettes said:Eddie said:the_taste_of_cigarettes said:Eddie said:i'd rather just focus on the music what is this in response to? the whole thread in general So you're saying that if you just focus on the music you'll have a band, people will put you on shows, you'll get paid, respect, and everything you ever wanted...and everyone will be happy? yes i'd rather focus on the music rather than talk about all the problems in your scene. fuck off hahaahahha wait so what band are you in? |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 1:07pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Eddie is in Dissector |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 18,2005 2:57am - master chief ""] talkin about music aint got dick to do with playin music. |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 18,2005 7:23am - my_pretentious_erection ""] hey you are awesome in that videogame you are in |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 18,2005 3:03pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I think the other threads got a long way from this. The goal is to come up with real, tangible data and tools that can help turn things around. As in "Shows that are on friday night seem to do well, but how can well do shows on the same night?" or "Perhaps vary the lineups more" or something. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 18,2005 3:59pm - Josh_Martin ""] Joe/NotCommon said:People go to shows they want to see, thats the inner workings of the scene. There is no secrets to it, I think maybe you are thinking too much about the question so the obvious answer has eluded you. It all comes down to business terms, what is the market you are going for? There is nothing wrong with 21+ or 18+ shows like some people would have you believe. For instance, an obvious example is Jonah's band who only plays all ages shows. Thats easy for them to make that stand, the majority of the older crowd wouldn't like them so by standing for the rights of younger kids to attend shows they rally a fanbase who is more likely to get into them anyway. Another example, Kevorkian's Angels, probably wouldn't get much of a younger fanbase no matter how many basement or hall shows they played. Musically, I think they would (and have) intimidated alot of younger kids. I also think alot of doom bands fall into this same situation and if they were to condemn age restricted shows they would probably just fall off the radar. As far as booking people go, I think alot of pay to play and selling tickets has ceased to exist in this area. That I am happy about because I think it's bullshit. The majority of promoters now book on what they feel. Sure some bands might get left out, but thats the game. Maybe it's elitism, but why on earth would I want to see bands I don't like? I go to so many shows that the second I hear a band who is even just okay, I get bored to death. As far as bands playing and leaving, same deal, why would they want to hear bands they don't like and who aren't going to support them? I mean, seriously, the only reason most of you people want the scene to unite or whatever is so your own band can reap the benefits of such a thing. The scene is united though, all you people are really saying now is that people who don't like your bands should support your bands anyways, because it's better for the scene. Nick, to be honest, I don't recall the last time I saw you at a show that you guys didn't play. Maybe you aren't familiar with the bands or don't like them and thats perfectly fine. But I think starting a thread trying to identify the problems in the scene (and which scene are we talking anyways?), but not really supporting any shows, makes you seem a little arrogant. There could be shows you are attending that I just am not at, but that goes to the which scene are we talking about question. Alot of people from alot of the local bands attend alot of shows, I know because I see them there. Bands who play together and like each other, more often then not seem to support each other even when their own band is not playing. So many people talk about 'supporting the scene' or unifying it or whatever, but to me it already seems to be that way. As usual, Joe owned everybody. Everything he said above is 100% accurate. |