Great quotes from Carcass' Jeff Walker in the new Decibel.[views:15503][posts:69]______________________________ [Oct 25,2005 9:15pm - wade ""] Decibel: Speaking of influences, what were Carcass'? Jeff Walker: A complete hatred of hair metal wimpy poseur bands. And no, wearing that Motley Crue shirt nowadays is not "cool" or "kitsch" or "post ironic" - it's completely "gay." Was then, still is, always will be. Decibel: If you could recommend some new influences to the Carcass clone bands out there, what mix tape, er, CD burn would you make them? Jeff Walker: I would do a CD compilation of every new breed metalcore ATG rip off good cop/bad cop vocal-ed band in existence and make them listen to it repeatedly so they know their enemy well and remember why they're grinding. |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 25,2005 9:53pm - Dissector ""] "Death metal died in 93. Anybody who plays it today is either lying or a loser" Still one of my favorite quotes. |
| __________________________________________ [Oct 25,2005 9:59pm - davefromthegrave ""] Dissector said:"Death metal died in 93. Anybody who plays it today is either lying or a loser" Still one of my favorite quotes. what happened in 93? |
| _______________________________________ [Oct 25,2005 10:05pm - Patnomalous ""] Back in 93', My old band opened for them on the Heartwork tour. That dude, Jeff Walker is a pompous Dick. People were calling out for Reek and Symphony songs and He just told the crowd to get with the times and just played Heartwork songs. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 25,2005 10:06pm - anonymous ""] death metal died! where were you? |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 25,2005 10:06pm - anonymous ""] that was the night they drove old dixie down |
| ___________________________________________ [Oct 25,2005 10:12pm - davefromthegrave ""] anonymous said:death metal died! where were you? I was 10 years old. |
| ___________________________________________ [Oct 25,2005 10:13pm - Notorious_D.U.G. ""] Patnomalous said:Back in 93', My old band opened for them on the Heartwork tour. That dude, Jeff Walker is a pompous Dick. People were calling out for Reek and Symphony songs and He just told the crowd to get with the times and just played Heartwork songs. Bill Steer fucked up his vocal chords and couldn't growl anymore without risking the chance of permanently ruining his voice. That's pretty much why they stopped doing all the older dual vocal songs. Well at least that's what he told me when I meet them in 94. |
| ___________________________________________ [Oct 25,2005 11:39pm - xxxproctologist ""] davefromthegrave said:anonymous said:death metal died! where were you? I was 10 years old. gee, youve come so far! |
| ______________________________________________ [Oct 25,2005 11:44pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] The Death, Carcass, Pestilence tour that came to Boston... Aaahh....one of my fondest childhood memories. Almost all my fave death records were in the late 80s, early 90s, but still, I don't agree with Jeff on a few of his statements. One word, Jeff: Poland |
| __________________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 12:17am - sinofangels-ray ""] Carcass died after symphonies of sickness |
| ______________________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 12:19am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] I think I may like Heartwork the best overall, only for total number of amazing riffs, but I do agree that album doesn't quite define the true Carcass sound. Symphonies of Sickness is definitely amazing and their defining record. |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 12:38am - KeithMutiny ""] wade said:Jeff Walker: I would do a CD compilation of every new breed metalcore ATG rip off good cop/bad cop vocal-ed band in existence and make them listen to it repeatedly so they know their enemy well and remember why they're grinding. can anyone PLEEEEEEEEEEEEASE find an audio of this... i smell a throwing shrapnel sound byte. |
| ________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 8:44am - MadMac ""] Patnomalous said:Back in 93', My old band opened for them on the Heartwork tour. That dude, Jeff Walker is a pompous Dick. People were calling out for Reek and Symphony songs and He just told the crowd to get with the times and just played Heartwork songs. This is VERY true as my older brother who was into thrash metal in 1988 saw Carcass in 1993 and people did the same thing and the guy said the same thing. He hung out with them after the show and said that Mr. Walker and the drummer were not friendly. Mike Amott OTOH was cool he said. my bro said Necrotism was a classic |
| ______________________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 11:17am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Necroticism is also quite good. |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 11:35am - Josh_Martin ""] wade said:Decibel: Speaking of influences, what were Carcass'? Jeff Walker: A complete hatred of hair metal wimpy poseur bands. And no, wearing that Motley Crue shirt nowadays is not "cool" or "kitsch" or "post ironic" - it's completely "gay." Was then, still is, always will be. That's funny since Shout at the Devil is 1000x heavier than the last 2 Carcass albums, which were completely gay. Were then, still are, always will be. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 12:31pm - wade nli ""] ^ that's the dumbest thing ever said. ever. Even Heartwork's "slow song" No Love Lost, rips Motley Crue and the title track...fuck, dude! |
| ______________________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 12:34pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Yeah, I was going to say....Shout at the Devil is heavier than Heartwork? Heartwork was tighter than Vince Neil's pants. No. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 12:34pm - wade nli ""] but Motley Crue had Pentagrams!! and yeah, NO. |
| _________________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 12:44pm - KillerKadoogan ""] i think in this case, and correct me if i'm wrong Josh, he's saying Shout at the Devil was heavier in that it kicked way more ass. not necessarily in terms of actual heaviness. but again, i could be way off base here. |
| ______________________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 12:53pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] There were tight leather pants, terrible lyrics, and aerosol aplenty on Shout at the Devil, but there was no 'Arbeit Macht Fleisch', 'Carnal Forge' or 'Blind Bleeding the Blind'. So I have to stick with my original no. |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 12:54pm - KeithMutiny ""] i farted |
| ______________________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 12:56pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Just be glad you didn't do it around Shout at the Devil, combined with all that hairspray we could have had an inferno. |
| ________________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 1:25pm - KillerKadoogan ""] hahahaha :nuke: |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 2:06pm - paganmegan ""] reading this thread was entertaining from start to finish |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 2:06pm - paganmegan ""] for various reasons, similarly, I enjoy all the carcass albums. But for different reasons. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 2:08pm - Josh_Martin ""] Wow, anyone who likes Heartwork is a gay. Shout was pretty fucking heavy for '83. Heartwork coming after Reek, Symphonies, and even Necroticism was total assfuckery. Gay as fuck record. I rememeber throwing it against a wall when I got my advance copy. If I want Megadeth riffs I'll listen to Megadeth. Carcass is for grinding, not stupid, watch-me-solo, life metal. Fuck Carcass for not liking early Motley Crue and also for wimping out worse than anyone this side of Metallica. I'm glad their major label stint was a short lived flop. They didn't deserve to get rich off that crap. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 2:12pm - Josh_Martin ""] Patnomalous said:Back in 93', My old band opened for them on the Heartwork tour. That dude, Jeff Walker is a pompous Dick. People were calling out for Reek and Symphony songs and He just told the crowd to get with the times and just played Heartwork songs. That happenned at pretty much every show on that tour. Motley Crue can still play their heaviest stuff and Mick Mars has that fucking bone disease. Carcass couldn't play Burnt to a Crisp anymore if their lives depended on it. Again, fuck Carcass. Total sell outs. |
| _____________________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 2:19pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Josh_Martin said:Carcass is for grinding, not stupid, watch-me-solo, life metal. Hehe. I'm sure Carcass regrets the fact they didn't consult you for career choices on the musical direction of their own band. I've already been gay since 1997 though, when I started recycling, so I'll keep enjoying my Heartwork. :spineyes: |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 3:09pm - Josh_Martin ""] DrinkHardThrashHard said:Josh_Martin said:Carcass is for grinding, not stupid, watch-me-solo, life metal. Hehe. I'm sure Carcass regrets the fact they didn't consult you for career choices on the musical direction of their own band. They should've consulted someone, anyone, besides who they did consult because they got some really bad fucking advice. I can imagine Carcass sitting in Columbia's offices listening to hours of "Hey, it worked for Metallica, it'll work for you" and them getting blinded by the dollar signs. If they'd lasted another album afer Swansong they would've had short hair and makeup like Load. Every band that Walker is ragging on was more successful than Carcass. He just sounds bitter that he fucked up his career. I suppose I should cut some of you some slack. Hearing Heartwork as your introduction to Carcass at age 17 in the late 90's is quite a bit different than waiting impatiently for the new album from one of your favorite bands to show up in the mail and when it does its a total fucking sell out. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 3:11pm - Josh_Martin ""] wade said:Jeff Walker: I would do a CD compilation of every new breed metalcore ATG rip off good cop/bad cop vocal-ed band in existence and make them listen to it repeatedly so they know their enemy well and remember why they're grinding. Hypocrite barely begins to describe the irony of this quote. |
| ________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 3:12pm - retzam ""] Motley Crue were never good musicians. Carcass were always good musicians. That's all I have to say on the matter. |
| ________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 3:15pm - retzam ""] And Heartwork is not a sell-out. There's no way I will believe that they made that album with money in mind, and it isn't like it made them a shitload of money anyway. It made them slightly more popular than they already were because they changed to slightly more popular music, but to compare that to the popularity of Metallica is completely ludicrous. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 3:15pm - Josh_Martin ""] retzam said:Motley Crue were never good musicians. What are you basing that on? I think that's both irrelevant and wrong at the same time. |
| _____________________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 3:16pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Josh_Martin said: I suppose I should cut some of you some slack. Hearing Heartwork as your introduction to Carcass at age 17 in the late 90's is quite a bit different than waiting impatiently for the new album from one of your favorite bands to show up in the mail and when it does its a total fucking sell out. Well, my introduction to Carcass was the 'Flesh Ripping Sonic Torment' demo in 1987, and I love their first three records in addition to Heartwork. I guess I just wasn't too surprised since I would read inties with Walker/Steer even before they did the Columbia record, and they usually covered the fact that they wouldn't be happy making the same record twice, which they didn't. That said, I'm not a fan of Swansong in the slightest, nor the post-Carcass Blackstar Rising. I think it has a lot to do with increased Amott songwriting for Heartwork, he seemed to follow through with a lot of that riffing in Arch Enemy. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 3:17pm - Josh_Martin ""] retzam said:And Heartwork is not a sell-out. There's no way I will believe that they made that album with money in mind, and it isn't like it made them a shitload of money anyway. It made them slightly more popular than they already were because they changed to slightly more popular music, but to compare that to the popularity of Metallica is completely ludicrous. You don't sign to a major label because you DON'T want to make a lot of money. You don't drastically alter your sound in a much more commerial direction because you DON'T want to make money. Wake up and smell the true Carcass. They wanted to be Metallica. They failed, thank God. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 3:18pm - Josh_Martin ""] DrinkHardThrashHard said:Josh_Martin said: I suppose I should cut some of you some slack. Hearing Heartwork as your introduction to Carcass at age 17 in the late 90's is quite a bit different than waiting impatiently for the new album from one of your favorite bands to show up in the mail and when it does its a total fucking sell out. Well, my introduction to Carcass was the 'Flesh Ripping Sonic Torment' demo in 1987, and I love their first three records in addition to Heartwork. I guess I just wasn't too surprised since I would read inties with Walker/Steer even before they did the Columbia record, and they usually covered the fact that they wouldn't be happy making the same record twice, which they didn't. That said, I'm not a fan of Swansong in the slightest, nor the post-Carcass Blackstar Rising. I think it has a lot to do with increased Amott songwriting for Heartwork, he seemed to follow through with a lot of that riffing in Arch Enemy. Ok, you don't get any slack, gaylord. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 3:25pm - Mikey nli ""] Josh_Martin said: I AM THE BIGGEST FAG IN THE HISTORY OF FAGS. Exactly right! Why do you even post here? You are a complete waste of space who has nothing better to do than put down everyone else's musical taste on a website that's filled with content you obviously hate. Go find a community that you fit into already. Gaylord. |
| _____________________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 3:29pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Josh_Martin said: Ok, you don't get any slack, gaylord. Hey, it's a fair trade as far as I'm concerned! I'll take the no slack, remain gay, continue to enjoy Heartwork (as I have for over a decade), and continue to despise Motley Crue, who were so damn commercial from the start, through their own admission, that several of them moved to a trendy rock'n'roll city to become famous. After all, playing arena glam metal in the 80s isn't selling out one iota! |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 4:21pm - Josh_Martin ""] DrinkHardThrashHard said:Josh_Martin said: Ok, you don't get any slack, gaylord. Hey, it's a fair trade as far as I'm concerned! I'll take the no slack, remain gay, continue to enjoy Heartwork (as I have for over a decade), and continue to despise Motley Crue, who were so damn commercial from the start, through their own admission, that several of them moved to a trendy rock'n'roll city to become famous. After all, playing arena glam metal in the 80s isn't selling out one iota! Motley Crue set out to be rock stars. That's exactly what they did. Although they did totally gay out on the 3rd record. But that's not the point. Jeff Walker is bashing band for being gay when his band was just as gay. Shout at the Devil for '83 is a billion times heavier than Heartwork was for '93. There's not even an arguement there, that's a fact. Slayer wore makeup back then too, y'know. Mr. Walker can go fuck himself. |
| ________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 5:43pm - retzam ""] Josh_Martin said:retzam said:And Heartwork is not a sell-out. There's no way I will believe that they made that album with money in mind, and it isn't like it made them a shitload of money anyway. It made them slightly more popular than they already were because they changed to slightly more popular music, but to compare that to the popularity of Metallica is completely ludicrous. You don't sign to a major label because you DON'T want to make a lot of money. You don't drastically alter your sound in a much more commerial direction because you DON'T want to make money. Wake up and smell the true Carcass. They wanted to be Metallica. They failed, thank God. I'm not saying they didn't want to make money. Most people DO want to make money, and I'm sure the guys in Carcass did too. Musicians usually want to be succesful, so if a major label wants to sign them, they will usually sign. And although melodic death is a more commercial route than grind (if you can even call any of their albums besides their first grind) melodic death is still very not commercial. If they really wanted to make tons of money and "be Metallica", they would have helped revolutionized nu-metal, like Metallica did. I don't really think Motley Crue are really bad musicians, but I think they're barely better than any other hair metal band that was out there. They just happen to be the arena rock band that got the most attention cause they had some interesting guitar riffs without sacrificing any glam-rock nonsense. And it wasn't really as relavent as I thought it was at the time. It was more of a way to express my opinion that Heartwork is a hell of a lot better than anything Motley Crue ever did. |
| ________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 5:48pm - retzam ""] And besides, not only do I disagree with you about Shout At The Devil being heavier than Heartwork, but I'd also like to raise the point that Shout At The Devil isn't even as heavy as the shit Black Sabbath was doing more than a decade before. |
| _______________________________ [Oct 26,2005 5:49pm - eddie ""] was nu metal around in 93? |
| ________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 5:52pm - retzam ""] eddie said:was nu metal around in 93? Not to my knowledge. |
| _______________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 6:02pm - RDB@tharazer ""] Carcass was horrible I heard one of there songs and it was stupid gay. Nothing is heavier than Iowa by Slipknot, it's totally sick if you guys have never heard of them you should check them out. |
| ________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 6:06pm - retzam ""] hahahahahaha |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 6:08pm - shrapnel ! ""] Dissector said:"Death metal died in 93. Anybody who plays it today is either lying or a loser" Still one of my favorite quotes. gotta agree ! |
| ______________________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 6:12pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] shrapnel ! said:Dissector said:"Death metal died in 93. Anybody who plays it today is either lying or a loser" Still one of my favorite quotes. gotta agree ! Shouldn't it say "Death metal died in 93. Anybody who plays it today has a drummer who isn't a cripple." |
| _______________________________ [Oct 26,2005 7:08pm - sever ""] davefromthegrave said:anonymous said:death metal died! where were you? I was 10 years old. Pff, I was 4. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 26,2005 7:19pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] Death Metal was born dead and it's over 21 years old. |