Government shutting down tomorrow[views:15810][posts:80]_________________________________________ [Apr 9,2011 4:59pm - MillenialKingdom ""] TheRidersofDoom said: MillenialKingdom said:I'm saying in general. People wanna complain about the state of our country but no one wants to get involved. Voting actually does matter. Apathy is what is ruining politics. Wrong, statist parasites like you in the military and people who believe in the magic of the ballot box are what is wrong. fuck politics, Anarchism is the only way to be a real, free, hoomin being! I'll be sure to remember your lack of support for the military when I'm overseas protecting your rights. Nothing is infallible. |
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| ________________________________________ [Apr 9,2011 6:09pm - Headbanging_Man ""] MillenialKingdom said:I'll be sure to remember your lack of support for the military when I'm overseas protecting drilling rights and IMF loan repayments. FTFY |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 9,2011 6:21pm - Headbanging_Man ""] MillenialKingdom said:In fact, if anyone has a problem with the government, instead of joining domestic terrorist groups or starting protest events, run for office yourself. That's what I plan on doing some day down the road. Sure, I hate what the government does too and a lot of our elected officials are nothing but babbling baffoons. I can just as easily vote them out of office. That's all fine and dandy, and indeed there is some wiggle room for local politics, but national electioneering is not a contest in democracy and policy, it's a matter of commerce. I'm sure if you adopt the right agenda, national office is possible, I just hope you support: - Unimpeded Israeli expansion and war crimes - Environmental and financial deregulation - Corporate tax breaks - Poorly regulated nuclear power - Mountain-top coal mining - Locking up millions of non-violent drug offenders - More bases, more wars, more depleted uranium, more torture, wider and wider definitions of "terrorism" (to include peaceful political protest) - Continued bailouts to industries ranging from banking to health insurance to airlines to energy production to telecommunications - All PATRIOT Acts, current and future - Prison-terms for whistleblowers - Courts weighted strictly in favor of corporate/monetary power against civil/employee/environmental interests - Death to Social Security, Medicare and public schools As long as you're on board with this All-American agenda, you'll really go places! |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 9,2011 7:20pm - conservationist ""] Headbanging_Man said: - Environmental and financial deregulation - Locking up millions of non-violent drug offenders - Continued bailouts to industries ranging from banking to health insurance to airlines to energy production to telecommunications - All PATRIOT Acts, current and future - Prison-terms for whistleblowers - Courts weighted strictly in favor of corporate/monetary power against civil/employee/environmental interests - Death to Social Security, Medicare and public schools As long as you're on board with this All-American agenda, you'll really go places! I am on board with this, and I'll explain: Environmental change is not going to come without a cultural mandate. Most of our society does not give a shit. Only middle class WASPs do. No amount of government regulation will fix this; in fact, it will backfire, by sabotaging industry and as a result necessitating its eventual removal. I support conservation, but not the bureaucracy that is faking it. Our public schools are dead. They teach to the dummies, the ESLs, the speds and the ADHD, and they ignore and bore everyone else. Let's get rid of them. Most of our "literate" people are idiots, so having them read just makes them bigger idiots, since IQ does not increase by learning. If it weren't for the patriot act and other horrible things, you would see more terrorist attacks. This is why Obama didn't suspend them. He may be underqualified (hehe) but he's not stupid. All entitlement programs need to go. Since 1950, these have expanded, and our country has gone to shit in that time. Our defense budget is not the problem. Entitlements are. Burn 'em. |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 9,2011 7:26pm - MillenialKingdom ""] Headbanging_Man said: MillenialKingdom said:In fact, if anyone has a problem with the government, instead of joining domestic terrorist groups or starting protest events, run for office yourself. That's what I plan on doing some day down the road. Sure, I hate what the government does too and a lot of our elected officials are nothing but babbling baffoons. I can just as easily vote them out of office. That's all fine and dandy, and indeed there is some wiggle room for local politics, but national electioneering is not a contest in democracy and policy, it's a matter of commerce. I'm sure if you adopt the right agenda, national office is possible, I just hope you support: - Unimpeded Israeli expansion and war crimes - Environmental and financial deregulation - Corporate tax breaks - Poorly regulated nuclear power - Mountain-top coal mining - Locking up millions of non-violent drug offenders - More bases, more wars, more depleted uranium, more torture, wider and wider definitions of "terrorism" (to include peaceful political protest) - Continued bailouts to industries ranging from banking to health insurance to airlines to energy production to telecommunications - All PATRIOT Acts, current and future - Prison-terms for whistleblowers - Courts weighted strictly in favor of corporate/monetary power against civil/employee/environmental interests - Death to Social Security, Medicare and public schools As long as you're on board with this All-American agenda, you'll really go places! You're basically just rallying against the Republican party according to this post. I am a registered Independent. I've been voting for Ron Paul since he's been running but of course the ones who make the most sense get pushed to the backburner. Presidential elections are based on superficial popularity which is why Sarah Palin gets a lot of attention. |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 9,2011 7:44pm - Headbanging_Man ""] All of those planks are pretty much part of the Democratic Party platform as well. The Dennis Kucinich's and (formerly) Cynthia McKinney's of that party are merely tokens to sate the liberal/progressive base, while the Obama/Clinton/Biden/Reid consensus is much more Reagan than Roosevelt. On an objective policy-analysis basis, Barack Obama makes Richard Nixon look like Huey Long in comparison. Obama's actions have supported every policy I listed above, though it's true that he's not as enthusiastic as the Republicans are about corporate tax-breaks and environmental deregulation. He's on board with the general program though. I get the feeling that Ron Paul is kept around as a token as well, to keep paleoconservatives and Libertarians in the Republican fold. I would hold out a lot more hope for our electoral system if Paul was capable of getting the GOP nomination for Pres. or VP, but his current limited career (compared to how popular he is amongst self-identified "conservatives") is pretty much rock-solid proof that the RNC, by design, is out to co-opt and quash conservative populism (just as the DNC does with progressive populism). As long as big money can push candidates and ideas down to the back burner (or up to the front), national elections are a kabuki act to enforce the illusion that voting really offers people a voice in the system. It's a Coke/Pepsi "republic" and people who ask for juice are simply not tallied in the end. |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 9,2011 7:48pm - Headbanging_Man ""] I don't know that there's an ideal solution, but as much as the idea of paying for shitty politicking out of tax money irks me, I think fully publicly financed elections may be the only way to remove the disproportionate influence of PAC and corporate money from the equation. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 10,2011 11:09am - TheRidersofDoom ""] MillenialKingdom said: TheRidersofDoom said: MillenialKingdom said:I'm saying in general. People wanna complain about the state of our country but no one wants to get involved. Voting actually does matter. Apathy is what is ruining politics. Wrong, statist parasites like you in the military and people who believe in the magic of the ballot box are what is wrong. fuck politics, Anarchism is the only way to be a real, free, hoomin being! I'll be sure to remember your lack of support for the military when I'm overseas protecting your rights. Nothing is infallible. LOL protecting what rights? I protect my own rights, keep letting the military and this country indoctrinate you. All you do is support and strengthen the barons of industry and the leeches of society who work in the state for a measly 20k a year and a few benefits, most of which you will never see a cent of because the military is run by some shrewd business men who know how to save money and cut costs, which includes sending you over there without much protective gear. Name one right the military has protected that a man couldn't protect himself. Try to tell me that I need a dude in camo killing darkies on the other side of the planet to protect my speech, freedom of religion, press. There hasn't been a legitimate threat to my freedoms other than the self same government and it's lackeys in the military haven't already limited. In fact if anything the military has been used more times to limit free speech and freedom of assembly in this country than it has protected them. Sorry to say this Captain America, but the military hasn't done anything legit since WW2 and it can even be argued that we only got involved in that one because we were afraid Germany and Japan would carve up all the resources and markets. and for the point I am not saying you as a soldier or any serviceman as an individual is bad or that I think you guys suck. I think the system that uses you guys to line their pockets with gold sucks. P.S. I have three uncles who served in Korea with honors, medals, all that jazz, and they themselves told me never to join the military because it is an imperialist machine used by rich dudes. Your blood, their profit. |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 10,2011 11:23am - ArrowHeadNLI ""] reimroc said:What annoys me is people who say "even if you don't like either candidate you should still vote". BULL FUCKING SHIT I should vote. A vote is supposed to be a representation of your approval of a candidate being the leader of our country. If I feel neither candidate will do good job I will not vote, period. Some retards think the presidential election is the only time they let us vote around here. Guess what, if you don't like either candidate, it's because you should have gotten involved LONG BEFORE it got to that point. Vote for local elections, local govt., senate, etc... and keep educated on who these people are. Because by showing your voice early at this level, you can help vote these people up and help them on their way TOWARDS running the country. Also, at the early level you have the opportunity to learn about the candidates and spread the word to other non-voters as well. Many people like yourself don't understand there's lots of other people in the government than the president. |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 10,2011 1:05pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] MillenialKingdom said:Not voting means you don't have the right to bitch and moan either. ArrowHeadNLI said: reimroc said:What annoys me is people who say "even if you don't like either candidate you should still vote". BULL FUCKING SHIT I should vote. A vote is supposed to be a representation of your approval of a candidate being the leader of our country. If I feel neither candidate will do good job I will not vote, period. Some retards think the presidential election is the only time they let us vote around here. Guess what, if you don't like either candidate, it's because you should have gotten involved LONG BEFORE it got to that point. Vote for local elections, local govt., senate, etc... and keep educated on who these people are. Because by showing your voice early at this level, you can help vote these people up and help them on their way TOWARDS running the country. Also, at the early level you have the opportunity to learn about the candidates and spread the word to other non-voters as well. Many people like yourself don't understand there's lots of other people in the government than the president. Arrowhead makes several valid points. It's still a dumb and chronically under-examined position. "YEEWWWW DIDN'T VOTE SO YEEEEWWSS KIN JUST SHUUUUT UP." Suck it, Trebek. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 10,2011 1:27pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] It's also why no president in the last two generations has been able to do SHIT. All the retard 20 somethings cry about CHANGE, and vote for barrack obama. Problem is, they then go home and celebrate while mom, dad, and the same douchebags that have been running EVERYTHING in the country continue being the only ones at the polls in the elections determining all the congress people and politicians who are just going to stand in the way, and not let ANYONE change a THING. The president is NOTHING. A FIGUREHEAD. We need more say in the supporting cast. Even getting Ron Paul for president would do nothing but show america several years of a beaten down, worn out, and roadblocked president. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 10,2011 4:09pm - politics ""] ArrowHeadNLI said: reimroc said:What annoys me is people who say "even if you don't like either candidate you should still vote". BULL FUCKING SHIT I should vote. A vote is supposed to be a representation of your approval of a candidate being the leader of our country. If I feel neither candidate will do good job I will not vote, period. Some retards think the presidential election is the only time they let us vote around here. Guess what, if you don't like either candidate, it's because you should have gotten involved LONG BEFORE it got to that point. Vote for local elections, local govt., senate, etc... and keep educated on who these people are. Because by showing your voice early at this level, you can help vote these people up and help them on their way TOWARDS running the country. Also, at the early level you have the opportunity to learn about the candidates and spread the word to other non-voters as well. Many people like yourself don't understand there's lots of other people in the government than the president. Its not just the national elections, the local elections have the habit of having shitty candidates on both sides as well. Seriously though do you really expect me to go and vote for some 30 year old in a local election in the hopes(which probably wont happen) that in another 20 years he'll be president? Yea I've lost so much hope that I won't do that. No point. When something radical happens and I mean earth shatteringly radical happens within our government I will start actively researching, following, donating and giving a shit more than I do now. There really is no point at this time when both sides play the same games and never get anything done. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 11,2011 7:39am - Yeti ""] that is my stance. Arrowhead is correct, but it's just not going to happen in current politics. anyone who believes the government, be it local or national, is anything but a big smoke and mirrors show with it's own hidden agenda that solely stands for profit is gloriously deluded. i have zero faith that anything but a massive, and i mean MASSIVE catastrophe has any chance of steering us away from the ridiculous hubris we wade through daily. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 11,2011 9:34am - Mutis ""] I think a lot of you have gotten anarchism mixed up with apathy. Stop fucking victimizing yourselves. It's making me feel sorry for you. Just be happy you have a socialist in congress for now. Because when we secede from your dumb country, we'll be absorbing him into our own government. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 11,2011 9:44am - arktouros ""] We need a Constitutional amendment declaring that corporations are not people and do not have the same rights as people. This would start a domino effect that would fix a lot of problems with our broken and corrupt government (corporatocracy under the guise of democracy). |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 11,2011 9:35pm - TheRidersofDoom ""] arktouros said:We need a Constitutional amendment declaring that corporations are not people and do not have the same rights as people. This would start a domino effect that would fix a lot of problems with our broken and corrupt government (corporatocracy under the guise of democracy). If I make a sandwich can it count as a person, as a corporation is something made by a person that now counts as a person |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 12,2011 6:08am - conservationist ""] Headbanging_Man said:I get the feeling that Ron Paul is kept around as a token as well, to keep paleoconservatives and Libertarians in the Republican fold. I would hold out a lot more hope for our electoral system if Paul was capable of getting the GOP nomination for Pres. or VP, but his current limited career (compared to how popular he is amongst self-identified "conservatives") is pretty much rock-solid proof that the RNC, by design, is out to co-opt and quash conservative populism (just as the DNC does with progressive populism). Ron Paul approves to fiscal conservatives. And social conservatives? Well... not so much. He's trying, by outing himself as pro-life. Social conservatives are evenly divided between morons (the abortion people, the prayer in schools people, the dinosaur-riding-jesus people) and the most intelligent group of people I've ever met. Many of those are, like me, unreconstructed Platonists... |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 12,2011 5:51pm - Headbanging_Man ""] Uhhh... What? What does that have to do with anything at all? Why try to cloak your fascist sympathies under lofty terms like "unreconstructed Platonists", especially when you can't even really use kindergarten/Fox News political-analysis terms like "fiscal/social conservatives" accurately? |
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| __________________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 12:56am - conservationist ""] arktouros said:We need a Constitutional amendment declaring that corporations are not people and do not have the same rights as people. This would start a domino effect that would fix a lot of problems with our broken and corrupt government (corporatocracy under the guise of democracy). I don't buy this. Corporations are businesses that represent their interests, but the real problem is that the voters are ignorant and easily swayed. Blaming corporations is like blaming the Jews: maybe there's truth in there somewhere, but you haven't gotten to the root cause, so it's just a distraction. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 9:16am - arktouros ""] you're kidding right? the root cause is money. unregulated free market creates oligarchy. i don't blame corporations for wanting to get richer and cornering markets, but just as voters are easily swayed by rhetoric, politicians are easily swayed by $. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 9:22am - arktouros ""] Corporations have the ability to represent their interests at the political level in a way that groups of individuals do not: fucktons of money and the ability to generate more at the expense of individuals. They aren't people, they're profit machines, and they should not be represented as people in government. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 10:06am - conservationist ""] arktouros said:you're kidding right? the root cause is money. unregulated free market creates oligarchy. i don't blame corporations for wanting to get richer and cornering markets, but just as voters are easily swayed by rhetoric, politicians are easily swayed by $. And the voters don't seem to catch on. In fact, if anything, the voters are the reason the money is flowing so freely. When you have a nation of people who buy big macs and the "trim package" (for $10k) on fancy trucks, you've put power in the wrong hands. This problem is inherent to democracy. Most people aren't ready to make political decisions, so they're easily swayed and inattentive. Further, they're not in control of their own desires, so they buy the really stupid products that return the super-high margin. Compare the cost/profit curve on a Big Mac versus, say, a "real meal" of steak, fries, broccoli (and/or Bova penis). |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 10:15am - arktouros ""] So, what, the Tsar makes the decision for them? What solves the education problem if the corporate government does not? |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 10:16am - arktouros ""] I know, I know, http://www.eugenics.net, solves everything |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 10:20am - arktouros ""] When 80% of the population opposes the Citizens United decision, yet it still exists, it's not really a democracy. Powerless in the face of death. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 14,2011 10:40am - Yeti ""] this country needs more Bova penis. it would alleviate all of our woes. |
| _____________________________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 10:43am - RustyPS should be working ""] Yeti said:this country needs more Bova penis. it would alleviate all of our woes. GENIUS!!!! |
| ____________________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 10:52am - FuckIsMySignature ""] This TOWN needs an ENEMA. |