2012 Scion Rock Fest[views:22038][posts:82][show listing] ___________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 1:38pm - arktouros ""] Lamp said: Because, as far as I can tell, metal bands only use DIY as a stepping stone out of necessity because when they start out, they have no other choice. I would be willing to make a solid wager that just about any metal band who is DIY now would jump right on board with Scion or a major label if given the chance, rather than make it their lifestyle and band's career path. That's quite a broad brush. I'd be willing to meet any musician who's career path involves not getting any compensation and just plays and tours out of the goodness of their heart, their strings are changed by unicorns and fairies make sure their amps never blow out. Bands turn down offers all the time if artistic integrity is an issue, it seems like integrity to some people involves "not accepting any money except from your dirt poor fans". Playing a certain genre of music doesn't infer anything about the type of person playing it. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 1:39pm - Alx_Casket ""] You wouldn't download a Scion. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 1:40pm - arktouros ""] Obviously by my pizza and D&D comment I'm not taking any of this to heart. Please. I'm not that kind of person, people who know me here know that. It's Friday and I'm sipping coffee with scorn at Lamp's comments. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 1:43pm - yummy ""] Maybe I have that washed up hobby rocker thing laid on too thick but of all battles this one seems weird to pick. I do like my DIY warehouse shows tho. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 1:43pm - yummy ""] btw I just got Pier Pizza NK, slammin |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 2:06pm - joeyvsdavidlopan ""] Alx_Casket said: bennyhillifier Thread ended back here. Cat is KILLING me. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 2:08pm - yummy ""] Holy shit I just learned so much about cars in Why I Don’t Give a Shit About Scionfest. |
| _________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 2:19pm - RustyPS ""] MVP of this thread - Alx_Casket |
| ______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 2:26pm - Lamp ""] arktouros said: Lamp said: Because, as far as I can tell, metal bands only use DIY as a stepping stone out of necessity because when they start out, they have no other choice. I would be willing to make a solid wager that just about any metal band who is DIY now would jump right on board with Scion or a major label if given the chance, rather than make it their lifestyle and band's career path. That's quite a broad brush. I'd be willing to meet any musician who's career path involves not getting any compensation and just plays and tours out of the goodness of their heart, their strings are changed by unicorns and fairies make sure their amps never blow out. Bands turn down offers all the time if artistic integrity is an issue, it seems like integrity to some people involves "not accepting any money except from your dirt poor fans". Playing a certain genre of music doesn't infer anything about the type of person playing it. Well, nobody tours out of the goodness of their heart, really. But people always come to that point in their life where they either quit or they sell out, which are basically the same thing anyway. Quitting is just frowned upon though I find it to be graceful, where as selling out does pay the bills that everyone has in life, but I also find it to be a slap in the face. There are people out there who are older and still into doing their thing musically and are happy basically taking the piss, but obviously not everyone's going to feel that way, and some are going to get to the point where they have a decision to make. Honestly, if your heart's not in it anymore, I'd rather just see someone quit. I can't hold it against another human being for losing interest. But the whole "taking Scion's money" thing to me is just once again, a slap in the face and it makes me wonder what the people who would accept such an offer really thought of their peers in the scene anyway. I guess it's just a fact of life to find out sometimes that people you thought were your friends are actually not (and it's happened to all of us at some point I'm sure), but it doesn't stop being a bummer every time. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 2:28pm - Lamp ""] I guess what I'm trying to say at the bottom of the matter is I am just a lonely loser who views music more as a network of friends and like minded people rather than a way to draw attention to myself, and I just don't see a problem with being a piss ant my whole life if it means having good company around. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 2:30pm - yummy ""] Damn, I really gotta come see you play. |
| _________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 2:43pm - RustyPS ""] TRYING....SO HARD.....TO NOT REPLY.....GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH OK, it's obvious that your definition of selling out and mine are two totally different things. IMO, selling out means you are changing something about yourself for money, fame, popularity, etc. I don't see how any band, with the exception of MAYBE Magrudergrind, that has been involved with Scion has done that since being involved with them. It seems, from my perspective at least, that Scion is basically just helping these bands out, and the bands aren't changing what they do musically in exchange for that help. Again, where's the harm in that? Also, why are quitting and selling out the only two options? Why can't there be a "doing what you love for a long time while making a living off of it" option? |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 2:43pm - largefreakatzero ""] Alx_Casket said:You wouldn't drive a Scion. No. No I wouldn't. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 2:46pm - Alx_Casket ""] Lamp ITT: [img] |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 2:47pm - arktouros ""] The idea that accepting money is "betraying" friends in a scene, or the idea of a scene or some allegiance to a group of scenesters, those are ideas I never cared for. That's why I missed the hardcore boat on purpose. I don't feel obligated to like a band just because of where they're from or what they play. Doesn't mean I don't find good company when I actually make it to shows. I guess that's where you and I differ Lamp, carry on. |
| _________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 2:48pm - RustyPS ""] arktouros said:The idea that accepting money is "betraying" friends in a scene, or the idea of a scene or some allegiance to a group of scenesters, those are ideas I never cared for. That's why I missed the hardcore boat on purpose. I don't feel obligated to like a band just because of where they're from or what they play. Doesn't mean I don't find good company when I actually make it to shows. I guess that's where you and I differ Lamp, carry on.Hardcore isn't about that really either, but I get what you meant. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 2:56pm - dickhead666 ""] it's all about the fucking tunes coming out of the speakers, goddamnit! did the band change their tunes for some other reason besides their own creativity? no? good, more opportunity or money for more tunes by said band means more goodness. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 3:07pm - RichHorror ""] bennyhillifier |
| ______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 3:07pm - Lamp ""] I'll just leave this point right here: I'm NOT just in the scene for the music only. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 3:09pm - Lamp ""] yummy said:Damn, I really gotta come see you play. We've got a couple shows in May, but we should hang out at some point before then. I don't see you often enough, man. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 3:09pm - Alx_Casket ""] I'm in it for the import cars, mostly. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 3:13pm - Lamp ""] Alx_Casket said:I'm in it for the import cars, mostly. Okay... you got me... I lol'd |
| ______________________________ [Apr 20,2012 3:38pm - Lamp ""] RustyPS said: arktouros said:The idea that accepting money is "betraying" friends in a scene, or the idea of a scene or some allegiance to a group of scenesters, those are ideas I never cared for. That's why I missed the hardcore boat on purpose. I don't feel obligated to like a band just because of where they're from or what they play. Doesn't mean I don't find good company when I actually make it to shows. I guess that's where you and I differ Lamp, carry on.Hardcore isn't about that really either, but I get what you meant. Yeah, I can see both sides of this one too. It's a matter of not believing that someone is my ally just because they're in my scene, but people have different ideas of what the scene is all about, hence all the subgenres/factions that have surfaced since being conceived in the last 30 years. That's fine by me, I'll just find the closest thing to what I consider my own belief system and roll with that. This is also not necessarily saying the bands I like to listen to most are people who believe what I do, but when I get along with someone on a personal level, it definitely helps my enjoyment of their band. |
| ____________________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 3:41pm - arillius_the_white ""] You guys are worse than Arillius the Grey. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 4:05pm - Alx_Casket ""] So are you. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 20,2012 6:17pm - quintessence ""] I stopped reading once someone said the word "scene" |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 21,2012 1:04am - Sellouts ""] You all and your so called scene. That same scene that you shit on and troll endlessly while never giving any band a solid constructive criticism. I've watched every scene for 15 years say "it was better 5 years ago". Shut up and listen to music. If you don't like it, write better music yourself to listen to. But eventually you'll get to the point where scion asks you to play a fest with sleep, down, repulsion, and fucking Ghost or some shit and you'll say "no, I can't, rttp will call me false sorry" Idiots. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 21,2012 1:09am - randy_marsh ""] This thread is fucking gay. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 21,2012 1:37am - Alx_Casket ""] randy_marsh said:This thread is fucking [img]. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 24,2012 4:47pm - yummy ""] Lamp said: yummy said:Damn, I really gotta come see you play. We've got a couple shows in May, but we should hang out at some point before then. I don't see you often enough, man. agreed. Let's do tHAT. Cuz I'll prolly wanna check out that funky jungle show but don't know where it is. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 24,2012 5:04pm - goatcatalyst ""] quintessence said:I stopped reading once someone said the word "scene" Mmmmmhmmm. Go tell it on the mountain, brother |
| ______________________________ [Apr 24,2012 6:04pm - Lamp ""] And yet if it wasn't for having a "scene", none of the bands you listen to would even exist. Every hobby has a scene and in order to pursue it further, sometimes putting up with bullshit is necessary. Deal with it. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 24,2012 6:15pm - LucidCurse ""] I would fuckin go to this if it were nearby... saint vitus |