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Production/Audio Engineering on Metal/Hardcore/Punk Albums

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[Jan 7,2010 9:36am - Slag nli  ""]
Ok, time to list your favorite "sounding" albums. I'm real into how an album sounds (as well as the song content).

I'm curious what other people come up with as favorites.

In my short time of listening to metal, here's my list.

Enslaved - Vertabrae
Mayhem - ordo ad chao
Thryfing - Hels Vite
Morbid Angel - Heretic
Meshuggah - Nothing (remastered)
Neurosis - Eye of Every Storm
Peste Noire - Ballade cuntre lo Anemi Francor
Rotting Christ - Theogonia
Primordial – To The Nameless Dead


GO!
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[Jan 7,2010 9:44am - arilliusbm ""]
Ildjarn - strength and anger
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[Jan 7,2010 9:45am - arilliusbm ""]
I don't care about production in metal. BUT, I hate overproduced metal to where it sounds too fake or digital sounding.

Edit: what an oxymoronic statement. Recent Examples of production I don't like: that pseudo pagan band equilibrium and new krisiun
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[Jan 7,2010 9:47am - arktouros ""]
any and all darkthrone
aeternus - beyond the wandering moon, ...and so the night became
walknut - graveforests and their shadows (electronic kit sounds realish)
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[Jan 7,2010 9:49am - Slag nli  ""]

arilliusbm said:I don't care about production in metal. BUT, I hate overproduced metal to where it sounds too fake or digital sounding.


I disagree. My opinion. I feel the sound sets the stage for the atmosphere and the message the band is trying to convey.
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[Jan 7,2010 9:50am - arktouros ""]
never any excuse for the tin can sound. but sometimes it works for me (i.e. judas iscariot)
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[Jan 7,2010 9:54am - arilliusbm ""]
I think atmosphere In black metal is created through that "underproduced" or oldschool sound - Transylvanian hunger or le secret from Alcest come to mind. Buy then again, it depends on the band's sound as well.
My take is production need not apply to certain types of metal.
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[Jan 7,2010 9:58am - Slag nli  ""]
Have I mentioned how much I love

Peste Noire - Ballade cuntre lo Anemi Francor ?


I fucking love this album. It is disgusting.
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[Jan 7,2010 10:10am - arilliusbm ""]
This is a good thread though; I'd have to sit and think about what albums stood out.
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[Jan 7,2010 10:14am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
anything from Steven Wilson or Peter Tatgren
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[Jan 7,2010 10:41am - Yeti ""]
Nile - In Their Darkened Shrines
Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger
Amon Amarth - Versus the World
Acid Bath - When the Kite String Pops
Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
Opeth - My Arms Your Hearse
Type O Negative - Slow Deep and Hard remaster
Immortal - Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism
Enslaved - Vikingligr Veldi
Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse
Burzum - Aske
Bathory - Hammerheart
Death - Human
Nevermore - The Politics of Ecstasy
Bloodbath - Breeding Death EP
Obituary - Cause of Death

basically anything gritty and underproduced.
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[Jan 7,2010 11:12am - goatcatalyst ""]
First Danzig album
Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse
Watain - Casus Luciferi
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[Jan 7,2010 11:15am - goatcatalyst ""]
Dissection -Storm of the Lights Bane
Cave In - Until Your Heart Stops
Led Zeppelin - Houses of the Holy

Good thread!
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[Jan 7,2010 11:45am - Murph ""]
Cult of Luna - Somewhere Along the Highway
Cult of Luna - Eternal Kingdom
Young Widows - Old Wounds
MotA - Quietly
Breach - Kollapse
Convoj - Exceptionnel
Poison the Well - Versions
Trap Them - Sleepwell Deconstructor
Moutheater - Ornament
Arabrot - I Rove
Silversun Pickups - Carnavas
Pas Chic Chic - Au Contraire

stuff done at Machines With Magnets
-Battles
-Chinese Stars
-Denimvenom
-Fang Island

the new MAST album is gonna recorded at MWM Jan30-Feb10, so I'm sure it's gonna make my own list.
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[Jan 7,2010 11:53am - bloblovesmusic  ""]
Backstreet Boys - Millenium
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[Jan 7,2010 11:58am - Blue ""]
scott burns or GTFO
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[Jan 7,2010 12:00pm - Murph ""]

Blue said:scott burns or GTFO


Death - Human is pretty goddamn heavy and awesome.
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[Jan 7,2010 12:12pm - martins ""]
I feel like production doesn't matter unless it takes away from the music or the music can't be heard because of it. But goddamn if a perfect production doesn't give me a giant boner.

The drum sound on Orgone's The Goliath gets my dick twitching uncontrollably.
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[Jan 7,2010 12:12pm - arktouros ""]
Behert - engram. Best sounding metal album ever.

Bathory -nordlands

usually bands try to imitate the ancient bathory sound fail miserably. Morrigan is an exception.

Agalloch - the mantle
cult of Luna - somewhere along the highway (my fav by them)
skepticism - alloy
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[Jan 7,2010 12:16pm - arktouros ""]
Primordial - to the nameless dead is the best sounding metal album also. Ever.

Lots of fantastic sounding doom. Saturnus, My Dying Bride's new record...
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[Jan 7,2010 12:18pm - Murph ""]
Best sounding metal album to me, ever, is Breach - Kollapse. While it has some non-metal elements to it, it is by far the most competent recording I've heard is strictly heavy music because it captures exactly what the band should sound like if you are standing right in front of them on their best day. It does not squash any part of the aural spectrum and achieves its means in organic simplicity. For guitarists, the track "Mr. Marshall" should be enough to inspire envy.

No matter what system you play it through, it is unbelievably articulate, but through a really powerful system, is a true masterpiece. And the content of the album is genius.
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[Jan 7,2010 12:18pm - arktouros ""]
Sodom's tapping the vain is delicious.
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[Jan 7,2010 12:20pm - Slag nli  ""]
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[Jan 7,2010 12:20pm - xanonymousx ""]
st anger and dethmagneticzz drum sounds are amazingggggg
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[Jan 7,2010 12:22pm - brian_dc ""]

Murph said:Best sounding metal album to me, ever, is Breach - Kollapse. While it has some non-metal elements to it, it is by far the most competent recording I've heard is strictly heavy music because it captures exactly what the band should sound like if you are standing right in front of them on their best day. It does not squash any part of the aural spectrum and achieves its means in organic simplicity. For guitarists, the track "Mr. Marshall" should be enough to inspire envy.

No matter what system you play it through, it is unbelievably articulate, but through a really powerful system, is a true masterpiece. And the content of the album is genius.



Tell this to Matt.

He's remastering it
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[Jan 7,2010 12:22pm - Murph ""]

bennyhillifier



bennyhillifier
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[Jan 7,2010 12:24pm - Slag nli  ""]

martins said:I feel like production doesn't matter unless it takes away from the music or the music can't be heard because of it. But goddamn if a perfect production doesn't give me a giant boner.

The drum sound on Orgone's The Goliath gets my dick twitching uncontrollably.



I think it does matter. A shit ton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nY9j8Rxcrg

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oghiJpkQZgE

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s61vUKggL-Q



None of these songs and I could pop out a hundred more would be as awesome if they were not produced in the way they were. It is half the album/song etc.
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[Jan 7,2010 12:29pm - Murph ""]

brian_dc said:
Murph said:Best sounding metal album to me, ever, is Breach - Kollapse. While it has some non-metal elements to it, it is by far the most competent recording I've heard is strictly heavy music because it captures exactly what the band should sound like if you are standing right in front of them on their best day. It does not squash any part of the aural spectrum and achieves its means in organic simplicity. For guitarists, the track "Mr. Marshall" should be enough to inspire envy.

No matter what system you play it through, it is unbelievably articulate, but through a really powerful system, is a true masterpiece. And the content of the album is genius.



Tell this to Matt.

He's remastering it



He's remastering Kollapse?

Jesus Christ.

He should remaster the first part of the Perth Express "Discog" album. That could be killer.
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[Jan 7,2010 12:33pm - matt_sways_in_the_wind ""]

brian_dc said:
Murph said:Best sounding metal album to me, ever, is Breach - Kollapse. While it has some non-metal elements to it, it is by far the most competent recording I've heard is strictly heavy music because it captures exactly what the band should sound like if you are standing right in front of them on their best day. It does not squash any part of the aural spectrum and achieves its means in organic simplicity. For guitarists, the track "Mr. Marshall" should be enough to inspire envy.

No matter what system you play it through, it is unbelievably articulate, but through a really powerful system, is a true masterpiece. And the content of the album is genius.



Tell this to Matt.

He's remastering it



i'll be remastering it if i can get my hands on a cd or wav files.

yeah murph, while i agree it's a perfect image of the craziness that band is, it still lacks a certain punch to me. it doesn't need much but a little something extra.

i'm even more eager to do this now to get your opinion.
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[Jan 7,2010 12:37pm - Murph ""]
Matt, I'll see if I can find you a dl link for Perth Express "Discography" because the 1st part of it is amazing, but could be so much more. I think it should be remixed as well, but, one can only do so much with what one is given (steals).
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[Jan 7,2010 12:38pm - brian_dc ""]
He needs to either get a CD or find a lossless version.

I have the CD because I support TDB and what not.
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[Jan 7,2010 12:40pm - Murph ""]
ah ha! actually, I do too, because you burned one for me about 2 years ago.
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[Jan 7,2010 12:42pm - brian_dc ""]
then that likely has an encoding

I probably did it with iTunes which degrades quality.

I can give it to him if he's interested.
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[Jan 7,2010 12:43pm - Yeti ""]

goatcatalyst said:Dissection -Storm of the Lights Bane


yeah good one. the soloing wouldn't be half as powerful if not for the production.
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[Jan 7,2010 12:52pm - matt_sways_in_the_wind ""]
production is always a key element to a record. always.

some of my favs of different production styles:

digital: Meshuggah - Obzen

analog: Cult of Luna - Eternal Kingdom

being a big Tool fan i find Ænima and 10,000 Days to be stellar recordings.

i also love the production on Pearl Jam - Vs and Stone Temple Pilots - Purple.

for any fans of electronic music check out Amon Tobin - Foley Room. he constructed all the samples with his own field recordings and created the compositions that way. not entirely original musical concept but the sonic quality is amazing and the songs are fantastic. it gives the "looping and electronic" elements of that genre an organic feel. he also puts on a awesome live show.

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[Jan 7,2010 1:00pm - matt_sways_in_the_wind ""]

Murph said:Cult of Luna - Somewhere Along the Highway
Cult of Luna - Eternal Kingdom
Young Widows - Old Wounds
MotA - Quietly
Breach - Kollapse
Convoj - Exceptionnel
Poison the Well - Versions
Trap Them - Sleepwell Deconstructor
Moutheater - Ornament
Arabrot - I Rove
Silversun Pickups - Carnavas
Pas Chic Chic - Au Contraire

stuff done at Machines With Magnets
-Battles
-Chinese Stars
-Denimvenom
-Fang Island

the new MAST album is gonna recorded at MWM Jan30-Feb10, so I'm sure it's gonna make my own list.



your a total twat for promoting our recording here and sucking the cock of machines with magnets... but i like your action.

i have to second moutheather and convoj. that shit sounds awesome.
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[Jan 7,2010 1:00pm - goatcatalyst ""]
I anticipate the Wehwalt "Total Caucasian Death" cassette (limited edition of one) that I will be presented with tonight to be the pinnacle of the genre.
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[Jan 7,2010 1:02pm - Murph ""]

matt_sways_in_the_wind said:
Murph said:Cult of Luna - Somewhere Along the Highway
Cult of Luna - Eternal Kingdom
Young Widows - Old Wounds
MotA - Quietly
Breach - Kollapse
Convoj - Exceptionnel
Poison the Well - Versions
Trap Them - Sleepwell Deconstructor
Moutheater - Ornament
Arabrot - I Rove
Silversun Pickups - Carnavas
Pas Chic Chic - Au Contraire

stuff done at Machines With Magnets
-Battles
-Chinese Stars
-Denimvenom
-Fang Island

the new MAST album is gonna recorded at MWM Jan30-Feb10, so I'm sure it's gonna make my own list.



your a total twat for promoting our recording here and sucking the cock of machines with magnets... but i like your action.

i have to second moutheather and convoj. that shit sounds awesome.



:HUMP:

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[Jan 7,2010 1:03pm - arktouros ""]

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no HTML on here you fucking faggkt chrost.
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[Jan 7,2010 1:12pm - WarriorOfMetal ""]
Almost anything mixed by Jacob Hansen (Communic, Mercenary, Tyr, Beyond Twilight, Anubis Gate, Invocator, Destinity, and a number of others)
Nevermore - Dead Heart in a Dead World
Iced Earth - Something Wicked Part 1 (Framing Armageddon) and Part 2 (Crucible of Man)
Ensiferum - Iron
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[Jan 7,2010 1:27pm - Slag nli  ""]

arktouros said:
Slag%20nli said:<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/-nY9j8Rxcrg&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/-nY9j8Rxcrg&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

no HTML on here you fucking faggkt chrost.



I cannot for the life of me figure out how to embed videos on this chrissaken site. The video button does not work (for me at least)
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[Jan 7,2010 1:28pm - arilliusbm ""]
matt sways in the wind: props for the amon Tobin mention
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[Jan 7,2010 1:31pm - Slag nli  ""]

matt_sways_in_the_wind said:
for any fans of electronic music check out Amon Tobin - Foley Room. he constructed all the samples with his own field recordings and created the compositions that way. not entirely original musical concept but the sonic quality is amazing and the songs are fantastic. it gives the "looping and electronic" elements of that genre an organic feel. he also puts on a awesome live show.




In the same breath you should probably mention any of Boards Of Canada releases.

Also, check out Bibio's new album Ambivelance Avenue.
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[Jan 7,2010 1:31pm - brian_dc ""]
this mention will make aril at least temporarily sad
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[Jan 7,2010 1:33pm - arilliusbm ""]

arilliusbm said:Ildjarn - strength and anger


anyone that's heard this knows why I put it here. The production is so "bad" that it makes a wonderful album, full of emotions 99.9% other bands can't do.

It all depends on the bands sound. I love barely audible production to great studio production. I just don't like when it's polished too much. Metal is not meant to have pop-like production.
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[Jan 7,2010 1:37pm - martins ""]
The God of Metal and the author of the Metal Constitution has spoken.
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[Jan 7,2010 1:42pm - IllinoisEnemaBradness ""]
one person that is beyond over rated is Steve Austin, i've never heard anything that lives up to his legendary status. His production always sounds thin and empty to me.

Emporer-into the nightside eclipse
motorhead-1916
ramones-end of the century
slayer-reign and south
origin-the last album, can't remember the name
Anal Cunt-morbid florist, defenders of the hate
Nightstick-death to music
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[Jan 7,2010 1:47pm - alexc ""]
I - Between Two Worlds

a fucking masterpiece musically and especially production wise! There's so much depth and ambience to this recording. You can feel the environment of where each song is supposed to be located, in the forest, in a cavern, etc. Doesn't sound that original or groundbreaking, but it just is. Listen to it. Fucking rules.
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[Jan 7,2010 2:07pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
listened to that recently... pretty rad
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[Jan 7,2010 2:10pm - MetalThursday ""]
Mortal Decay - Forensic

Candiria - Process of Self Development

Bad Brains - I Against I

Most recently, Black Pyramid - S/T

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