Production/Audio Engineering on Metal/Hardcore/Punk Albums[views:7310][posts:91]________________________________________ [Jan 7,2010 2:17pm - bloblovesmusic ""] MetalThursday said:Mortal Decay - Forensic Candiria - Process of Self Development Bad Brains - I Against I Most recently, Black Pyramid - S/T Fuckfest |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 7,2010 2:22pm - arilliusbm ""] martins said:The God of Metal and the author of the Metal Constitution has spoken. lol I was goin to crack a joke about that too... But I mean come on. There are some metal albums that sound like they belong in the top 40. Good riddance to that. Metal's roots define the genre. I hold metal in a different regard than other types of music when it comes to production and mastering. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 7,2010 2:38pm - the_reverend ""] arktouros said:Agalloch - the mantle times a million. Also, I love the production of Impiety's skull fucking armageddon and Avsky's Mass Destruction. Marty's Feeding the abscess. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 7,2010 2:42pm - josh_hates_you ""] mastodon - remissions converge - you fail me norma jean - bless the martyr and kiss the child high on fire - blessed black wings |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 7,2010 2:55pm - MetalThursday ""] bloblovesmusic said: MetalThursday said:Mortal Decay - Forensic Candiria - Process of Self Development Bad Brains - I Against I Most recently, Black Pyramid - S/T Fuckfest You can put that in the review you're never going to write. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 7,2010 3:15pm - Yeti ""] the_reverend said:Also, I love the production of Impiety's skull fucking armageddon the only thing that bugs me about this is the vocals. the rest is killer though. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 7,2010 3:48pm - arktouros ""] alexc said:I - Between Two Worlds a fucking masterpiece musically and especially production wise! There's so much depth and ambience to this recording. You can feel the environment of where each song is supposed to be located, in the forest, in a cavern, etc. Doesn't sound that original or groundbreaking, but it just is. Listen to it. Fucking rules. yes!!!! great album and by far one of my favorite 'heavy metal' albums! Blinding days on the desert Blinding sun in my eyes Mighty cities before us Ride with your heads held high!! |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 7,2010 5:58pm - OneEyedDog ""] YOB-Illusion of Motion |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 8,2010 11:31am - Jonahathome ""] you guys are crazy, those first ten perth tracks sound perfect! The rest of it could use a little help though haha |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 8,2010 11:32am - the_reverend ""] I saw jonah posted and said to myself "he's going to say perth" |
| __________________________________ [Jan 8,2010 11:34am - brian_dc ""] Yeah, I love the first 10. I think Murph just got it backwards. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 8,2010 12:38pm - Yeti ""] it's a great day for fire! it's a great day for wrath! |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 8:18am - Slag NLI ""] Beherit's Engram record. I think there are about 20 guitar layers. I can seriously reach out and touch the guitar. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 8:24am - Slag NLI ""] Slag%20NLI said:Beherit's Engram record. I think there are about 20 guitar layers. I can seriously reach out and touch the guitar. Also they did tons of subtractive EQ. You can this album up to 15 with no regrets or pain to ones ears. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 9:43am - DestroyYouAlot ""] goatcatalyst said:First Danzig album Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse Watain - Casus Luciferi Thread over |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 9:49am - arilliusbm ""] I prefer Anthems production over nightside |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 9:51am - DestroyYouAlot ""] Slag%20nli said: martins said:I feel like production doesn't matter unless it takes away from the music or the music can't be heard because of it. But goddamn if a perfect production doesn't give me a giant boner. The drum sound on Orgone's The Goliath gets my dick twitching uncontrollably. I think it does matter. A shit ton. None of these songs and I could pop out a hundred more would be as awesome if they were not produced in the way they were. It is half the album/song etc. True as far as it goes, but it's a mistake to equate "good production" with "crystal clear and balancing all elements nicely" when "obscures and muddies up the whole thing pleasingly" is as often (if not more often the) better answer (and the one that actually adds something to a record rather than just limply reproducing the sounds from drums/amps/etc). |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 9:53am - sever nli ""] Band kind of sucks, but Molotov Solution's first album has the tightest, punchiest sound I have ever heard. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 9:53am - arilliusbm ""] Illdjarn - strength & anger /thread |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 9:54am - DestroyYouAlot ""] Least favorite: the last 18 or so Behemoth records, Emperor IX Equilibrium, Demon Burger past PEM. SQUISH GLISTEN SQUISH REPEAT |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 10:00am - Slag NLI ""] As an example, Drudkh would not exist without the atmosphere that is provided with the number of different types of distortion/mud/reverbs. It was not implied that music has to be clean to be well produced. Songs need character. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 10:01am - arilliusbm ""] Equilibrium almost sounds like a live album at parts. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 10:04am - arktouros ""] DestroyYouAlot said:True as far as it goes, but it's a mistake to equate "good production" with "crystal clear and balancing all elements nicely" Yeah, Anthems as an example - a lot of the instruments get lost in the mix sometimes, but it leaves more to the imagination. Blast beats are almost inaudible, but it lets your ears explore the whole picture. Quiet drums behind a mega-canyon riff can be more effective than having the drums balanced with the guitar. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 10:06am - arktouros ""] arilliusbm said:Illdjarn - strength & anger /thread It sounds straight-up turrible but that's their sound. If that album was crystal clear and sterilized through mixing it would probably suck. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 10:09am - arilliusbm ""] Slag%20NLI said:As an example, Drudkh would not exist without burzum and myspace fixd |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 10:11am - arilliusbm ""] arktouros said: It sounds straight-up turrible but that's their sound. If that album was crystal clear and sterilized through mixing it would probably suck. if you haven't heard his ambient works - namely hardangervidda - check it out. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 10:12am - arktouros ""] lol @ Drudkhspace. will do |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 10:14am - arilliusbm ""] I love most drudkh, but let's face it. they had over 15 unofficial myspaces at one point. it used to be real hard to find their first album when it came out. but they spread like wildfire through myspace. it's funny because astrofaes and hate forest never really did. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 10:19am - Martins NLI ""] [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 10:20am - arilliusbm ""] U MAD? |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 10:28am - arktouros ""] there's no getting around it, Saenko is a genius, Drudkh is his most accessible (folk), people caught on. Astrofaes and Hate Forest are too unfriendly for myspace. funny thing though, don't try and start a conversation about Hate Forest with somebody wearing a Hate Forest shirt. They don't want to talk about Elder Race with the likes of me. It's like girls showing the goods and not putting out, sort of. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 11:37am - The_Rooster ""] Love the sound of these: Meshuggah - Nothing, Obzen, I Neurosis - The Eye of Every Storm, A Sun That Never Sets Aborted - Goremageddon Nasum - Shift Torche - Meanderthal, In Return, s/t The Melvins - Stoner Witch Baroness - The Red Album, The Blue Record High On Fire - Death is This Communion Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath Cult of Luna - Eternal Kingdom Dying Fetus - Destroy the Opposition Misery Index - Dissent Engineer - The Dregs Soilent Green - A Deleted Symphony For the Beaten Down Tragedy - Vengeance, Nerve Damage Burnt By the Sun - The Perfect is the Enemy of the Good Carcass - Heartwork Contrastic - s/t Ghengis Tron - Board Up the House Skinless - Foreshadowing Our Demise Boris - Pink, Smile Slayer - Reign in Blood Candiria - 300 Percent Density Pantera - Far Beyond Driven, The Great Southern Trendkill White Zombie - Astrocreep 2000 Overcast - Fight Ambition to Kill VOD - s/t There are more that I would add, that I just can't think of without looking at my collection, but these are all albums that I think sound amazing. I like a lot of the filthy lo-fi sounding shit too, if it's appropriate to the band's sound. Otherwise, I find myself wishing things were recorded better. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 11:46am - Hungtableed ""] The Beatles -Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 11:49am - DestroyYouAlot ""] Yeah, Masters of Reality is my pinnacle of Sabbath production. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 19,2010 1:01pm - blue ""] Hum - Downward is Heavenward Best production evar. Metal or not. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 1:54pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] The production on Drudkh's Forgotten Legends is fucking flawless. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 1:56pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Ulver - Nattens Madrigal Fucking wolven ferocity |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 1:57pm - blessed offal ""] arilliusbm said:I don't care about production in metal. BUT, I hate overproduced metal to where it sounds too fake or digital sounding. Edit: what an oxymoronic statement. Recent Examples of production I don't like: that pseudo pagan band equilibrium and new krisiun i agree, but also hate shit where noone even bother to mix it and it just sounds like shit, but they play it off as 'old school' 'barbaric' or just 'dirty sounding.' even worse production is shit like the new deicide and vital remains records, and yes krisiun. boooooooring... |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 2:05pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Darkthrone - A Blaze In The Northern Sky FTW Negative Approach - Tied Down Cro-Mags - Age of Quarrel Agnostic Front - One Voice: so much meathead brocore started here, but the production on this one always blows me away. Dark Angel riffs set to two-stepping wigger beats = somehow amazing 9 Shocks Terror - Paying Ohmage: WTF. This is baby-punching music. Erba's bass sounds goddamn ridiculous. Ensiferum - Iron: not sugary-sweet yet, still had balls but meatier than the self-titled |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 2:07pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] VR - Dawn of the Apocalypse: crushing |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 2:21pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Nevermore - This Godless Endeavor Textbook example of crystalline production done right, with a band where it's appropriate. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 2:22pm - arilliusbm ""] Dawn- slaughtersun Captures the correct essence of what melodic Swedish bm should sound like |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 2:25pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Disfear - Soul Scars OR Misanthropic Generation (totally dissimilar, both fucking awesome) Plutocracy - Sniping Pigz Spazz - EVERYTHING Warbringer - whatever the new one with the rad bassist is Judas Priest - Painkiller |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 2:41pm - Slag NLI ""] DestroyYouAlot said:The production on Drudkh's Forgotten Legends is fucking flawless. This album transports me to a seperate plane of existance unlike the one that I currently reside on. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 19,2010 2:51pm - blessed offal ""] actually off the top of my head i would add judas priest - screamin for vengeance neurosis - through silver and blood slayer - reign in blood electric wizard - dopethrone incantation - mortal throne of nazarene dark throne - a blaze in the northern sky necromantia - scarlet evil, witching black black sabbath - sabotage |