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[QUOTE="Snake:141479"]I jokingly made a comment on the SnakeNet board that I deliberately avoided reading the comments here because I was afraid I would go off on a rant. Kell agreed in a follow up post, so of course I had to see what was said. ;) PowerKoK is right. The show flopped. No one is responsible for that other then me. I am the promoter and organizer and when the show fails, the buck stops with me. I have no problem accepting the blame. Yeah. My attitude did need a serious adjustment. I hate doing shows that tank. The bands that played for the most part spent the rest of the night outside or left. Bands that played one day didn't come out for the other. I vented my frustration on Tom, but it wasn't him or his band that was the problem. Honestly, it wasn't any of the opening acts problem. The headliners didn't draw. Even if BTE had played, there still wouldn't have been an additional people there since no one knew their drummer would be hospitalized hours before they were supposed to play. Seven Witches drew nothing either. Maybe that was partly the Dio/Anthrax show, but most likely it wasn't. I had been told by quite a few people they wouldn't draw. Obviously they were right and I was wrong. As far as the bands not coming out and supporting each other goes. Yeah....that is a major issue for me. I don't expect bands to drive hundreds of miles to come out for one night, but enough people that I knew from the RI/MA area that were at the show Friday went home and were back the next day. I'm not going to belabor the point. It should be obvious to people. The guilty know who they are the ones that are not shouldn't be offended by the comments. Yeah...my food remark was WAY out of line. I wanted to apologize the minute I said it, but I didn't have the balls to do it, so please accept my apology for that even though it is late. It was uncalled for. It was frustration speaking. There was a lot of shit that went wrong behind the scenes that isn't public knowledge on this board, but I discussed in too much detail on the SnakeNet boards. Probably if you were aware of all we had to combat, you'd know that it was far more then the dismal turnout that was stressing me out. As far as which band drew how many people... The total paid at the show on Friday was 81. The total on Saturday was 98. Of those, 26 people were from the SnakeNet site. A couple of them were wives or friends of Command Presence and Shroud. The rest were SnakeNet people that flew in from out of town. None of those people were coming to see any band in particular. They were coming to party with their friends from SnakeNet. Serg showed me a sheet that Todd keeps to tell which people that came through the door came to see which band. Obviously if they are only given one choice, it is impossible to really say whether they would have listed a different band if their first choice wasn't there. Admittedly, I was pretty toasty when Serg was showing me the numbers. However, I remember him repeating time and time again that not one band drew more then 20 people. In my state of intoxication, I remember seeing 17 listed for Meliah Rage. I have my doubts about the validity of that number or my memory....take your pick. I also saw only one person for marked for Command Presence and one person marked for The Accursed. I know for a fact that a good number of the people that were there were wives, girlfriends and friends of Command Presence. That number could not have been accurate. Matter of act, at one point someone told me there were four people waiting in the parking lot that weren't going to come in if CP wasn't playing. I thought it must have been friends of mine playing a joke on me, but I didn't know any of those people and that is what they told me. The real point is, does it really matter if one band drew 23 or another drew 11 based on a quiz at the door? Not really. The bottom line is excluding the SnakeNet people, 55 came out on Friday and 72 came out on Saturday. Haggle over who drew the most out of that if you want, but it really isn't going to mean a damn. The show still tanked and I am still ultimately responsible. Yeah...doing a show that loses money sucks. But why I get so PO'd about bands not supporting each other is that we can't afford to be divided. No one band is bigger then the scene. We all need to work together so that everyone has a good crowd. Who plays which slot and who drew more of those that are there is irrelevent. I feel fucking horrible that many bands drove hundreds of miles to play in front of 30 or 50 people. I feel responsible. I feel even worse when virtually ever person walked out of the club before Liquid Violence even hit their first note. Fortunately a few people filtered in before their set was over, but when there were 100 paying and 50 or so band members there, that is just damn rude that no one watched. But hey...no one is required to do something they don't want to do. If people paid money to stand outside and smoke or eat while they were playing, that is their right. I can't and won't try to force them to watch something against their will. According to a few people I talked to, drawing 80 to 95 people a day was better then average for Manchester. The turnout certainly didn't suck for lack of promotion....except from the two bands at the top of the bill each night and they are nationals and I guess doing a small fest like this isn't a big deal for them. Dan and Layla were over the top with pushing this show. Every band except Distrust and BTE had the show posted on their site and even BTE added it before the show....only a couple of days before the show, but it was still before the show. And they were on tour, so they are pretty much excused. Without question, this was the best promoted show I have ever done. We had great press and good street teaming. We many never know why it didn't draw even 100 people a day, but it doesn't really matter. I know I did my best. I know Dan, Layla, Tim from Screaming Ferret, the SnakeNet people and many of the RTTP ppl did their best too. There is no shame in losing when you give you best effort, so I can live with this. The first time I did a fest like this in NC, the show totally tanked. It wasn't as bad as this one, but I have done plenty of shows that didn't draw more then 40 people. That first year I lost more money doing that fest then a lot of people earn in a year. It didn't stop me from doing one the next year and with some minor tweaks, the next one had double the attendance. I believe we can do that with this fest too. I'll just have to take what I learned from this one and do a better job promoting it the next time. Serg wants me to do more shows at the Bombshelter. I will certainly try to do that. When the next one will be and what form it takes isn't certain, but I am a fighter, not a quitter. I'm sure the next one will be bigger and better. Thanks to everyone that came out. Thanks to all the bands that were playing. Thanks to the RTTP crew and thanks to everyone that was involved. We'll get 'em next time.[/QUOTE]
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