is hardcore dying?[views:11913][posts:49]______________________________ [Nov 30,2005 9:41am - skab ""] i hope not, but if you think about it, its becoming a turnoff to fans. And i will tell you why, there are too many hardcore bands that really suck out there who keep getting shows, fight the cause and stop booking bad hardcore bands, like queer ones that use blacklights (ahem), as a matter of fact if you have fallen victum to seeing a bad hardcore band, list them here, this way we will know who not to book (but be serious, dont be a bitch) |
| ______________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 9:51am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] God Aaron, first you ruin hardcore, now you're killing it! |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 9:54am - Joe/NotCommon ""] hardcore died approximately 1988 |
| ________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 10:32am - Yeti ""] hopefully |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 10:37am - largefreakatzero ""] Dying? It is long dead. |
| __________________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 10:54am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] is my hard-on dying? After reading this thread, yes. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 11:51am - WhyamIandasshole at home ""] yes |
| _______________________________ [Nov 30,2005 12:00pm - cav ""] there are still good hardcore shows around, you just have to see the right bands...the Rhythmden fest in ny with shai hulud, converge, walls of jericho, my bitter end, with honor, red chord, fassw, #12looks... was probably one of the most hardcore shows ive been to and it was only a month ago. hardcore's not dead, its just overshadowed by the metalcore scene. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 12:02pm - Josh_Martin ""] Joe/NotCommon said:hardcore died approximately 1988 You're being nice. I'd say 1984. |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 12:03pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] I was going to say 84 actually |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 12:14pm - anonymous ""] cav said:there are still good hardcore shows around, you just have to see the right bands...the Rhythmden fest in ny with shai hulud, converge, walls of jericho, my bitter end, with honor, red chord, fassw, #12looks... Ok... did any hardcore bands play that show? |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 12:22pm - Josh_Martin ""] It died when it stopped being "hardcore/punk" and became just "hardcore" |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 12:26pm - GhettoBeeKeeper ""] Harcore = Metal = Hardcore their is no difference anymore. The only way to tell a "hardcore" band from a "metal" band is they way the dress/look/what record label they are on, Thats it! Unless you sound like hardcore bands from the 80s and they you are only trying to be retro or ironic and you suck anyway |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 12:32pm - Josh_Martin ""] GhettoBeeKeeper said:Unless you sound like hardcore bands from the 80s and they you are only trying to be retro or ironic and you suck anyway Wrong. |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 12:38pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] GhettoBeeKeeper said:Harcore = Metal = Hardcore their is no difference anymore. The only way to tell a "hardcore" band from a "metal" band is they way the dress/look/what record label they are on, Thats it! Unless you sound like hardcore bands from the 80s and they you are only trying to be retro or ironic and you suck anyway you are a complete idiot |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 12:53pm - GhettoBeeKeeper ""] Joe/NotCommon said:GhettoBeeKeeper said:Harcore = Metal = Hardcore their is no difference anymore. The only way to tell a "hardcore" band from a "metal" band is they way the dress/look/what record label they are on, Thats it! Unless you sound like hardcore bands from the 80s and they you are only trying to be retro or ironic and you suck anyway you are a complete idiot All Im saying is in the 80s the two were very clearly defined hardcore sounded like hardcore and metal sounded like metal. Now its all a big melting pot and their is very little difference between the two. Im not sure where it started but bands like leeway, overcast, acme, and unbroken come to mind. just my humble opinion, not trying to be mean or start any fights. |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 12:55pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] fight fight fight |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 12:56pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] If you cant tell the difference between metal and hardcore then you are listening to all the wrong bands. |
| _______________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 12:57pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] GhettoBeeKeeper I fucked your mom. On the stereo while I boned her in the ass? Terror. |
| ______________________________ [Nov 30,2005 1:10pm - skab ""] unfortunatly many of you are idiots. GENRES EVOLVE INTO DIFFERENT SOUNDS, do you seriously think that metal sounded anything like it does today 20 years ago, yes but it sounded like what today would have a different genre. Hardcore has evolved into what it is today. i brought up this question saying that the amount of fans may be dying down. fags. hardcore stoped being hardcore in the 80's im stupid....shut the fuck up |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 1:13pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Can you please speak more carefully so that we can understand you? |
| ______________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 1:20pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Joe/NotCommon said:Can you please speak more carefully so that we can understand you? I can translate it for you Joe. you FAGS don't know anythhing ABOUT hardcore one time in the 80s it sounded differentthenthesoudnofit changed like EVERY music does and then the sound changed and you are all fags because the sound changed i wanted to know about the dwindling number of hardcore fans beucase lately IT seems like THE SCENE IS DYING AND ONE TIME I WAS LISTENIGN TO THE THE GORRILA BISCUTS AND I GOT SO POSI I KICKED MY MOM IN THE MOUTH then wtf happened to the scene i think CLUBS SHOULD STOP BNEING GAY ABOUT PUTTING ON SHOWS AND more people should come out to shows and i need to buy a hat |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 1:20pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Thanks for the translation |
| ______________________________ [Nov 30,2005 1:23pm - skab ""] anyway i think underoaths latest cd was the biggest disappointment in the hardcore and metal world, wanna know why cause they used to sound like this www.purevolume.com/oldunderoath an here http://server4.hxcmp3.com/bands/31321/index.php with the exception of reiniventing your exit (put there to show what they now sound like) this aint even their best stuff, anyway disappointment none the less |
| _______________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 1:40pm - slowlypeelingtheflesh ""] the only thing that is killing that scene is when people act like douchebags at shows when people don't want dancing/fighting dont fucking do it |
| ______________________________ [Nov 30,2005 1:41pm - skab ""] pussies arent allowed in this post |
| ________________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 1:44pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:Joe/NotCommon said:Can you please speak more carefully so that we can understand you? I can translate it for you Joe. you FAGS don't know anythhing ABOUT hardcore one time in the 80s it sounded differentthenthesoudnofit changed like EVERY music does and then the sound changed and you are all fags because the sound changed i wanted to know about the dwindling number of hardcore fans beucase lately IT seems like THE SCENE IS DYING AND ONE TIME I WAS LISTENIGN TO THE THE GORRILA BISCUTS AND I GOT SO POSI I KICKED MY MOM IN THE MOUTH then wtf happened to the scene i think CLUBS SHOULD STOP BNEING GAY ABOUT PUTTING ON SHOWS AND more people should come out to shows and i need to buy a hat [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 1:54pm - Josh_Martin ""] Hardcore is not a genre. Rock and Roll is a genre. Hardcore is a sub-genre. Those do not change. If they change to the point where they are nothing like how they started, a new sub-genre is created. Bands like Converge will never be anything more than metalcore to me. Hardcore is Bad Brains, MDC, Minor Threat, Jerrys Kids etc etc. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 2:18pm - anonymous ""] Josh_Martin said: Hardcore is Bad Brains, MDC, Minor Threat, Jerrys Kids etc etc. whats the difference between punk & hardcore? i always thought of bad brains & minor threat as punk bands. school me please! |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 2:25pm - largefreakatzero ""] BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:THE SCENE IS DYING AND ONE TIME I WAS LISTENIGN TO THE THE GORRILA BISCUTS AND I GOT SO POSI I KICKED MY MOM IN THE MOUTH then wtf happened to the scene i think CLUBS SHOULD STOP BNEING GAY ABOUT PUTTING ON SHOWS AND more people should come out to shows and i need to buy a hat Haha! |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 2:42pm - Josh_Martin ""] anonymous said:Josh_Martin said: Hardcore is Bad Brains, MDC, Minor Threat, Jerrys Kids etc etc. whats the difference between punk & hardcore? i always thought of bad brains & minor threat as punk bands. school me please! That's why it was called hardcore punk back then. A way to distinguish the more extreme punk bands from the more gay, new-wavey punk bands. Pre-tough guy era, hardcore was basically wicked fast punk. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 2:45pm - brian_dc ""] we'll all be listening to techno in 20 years anyway |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 3:36pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Ok, here's where I get to act like an opinionated asshole. I mean, as opposed to the rest of the time. anonymous said:cav said:there are still good hardcore shows around, you just have to see the right bands...the Rhythmden fest in ny with shai hulud, converge, walls of jericho, my bitter end, with honor, red chord, fassw, #12looks... Ok... did any hardcore bands play that show? Thank you. Couldn't have said it any better myself. GhettoBeeKeeper said:Harcore = Metal = Hardcore their is no difference anymore. The only way to tell a "hardcore" band from a "metal" band is they way the dress/look/what record label they are on, Thats it! Unless you sound like hardcore bands from the 80s and they you are only trying to be retro or ironic and you suck anyway Try: "Some people actually know what real hardcore sounds like, and like it that way EVEN THOUGH it might not get them laid or sound great bumpin' from their dad's Acura." GhettoBeeKeeper said: All Im saying is in the 80s the two were very clearly defined hardcore sounded like hardcore and metal sounded like metal. Now its all a big melting pot and their is very little difference between the two. Im not sure where it started but bands like leeway, overcast, acme, and unbroken come to mind. just my humble opinion, not trying to be mean or start any fights. Yeah, you're right, Overcast told Iron Maiden to be influenced by punk, and Unbroken (whoever the fuck they are) told Discharge to add metal to their sound. And Metallica to add Discharge to theirs. Good job on the history. I also love the kids who think Blood for Blood and Hatebreed are "old school". Brilliant. And, I mean, there's not even the excuse that there isn't the internet and they can't do some research in five minutes, anymore. At least kids in the early nineties and before had a good reason to be ignorant. |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 3:37pm - ATNFAC_Vokillz ""] im listening to techno now. boopbeedeeboopbeedeeboopbeedee. damn, thats a funky beat. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 4:09pm - brian_dc ""] Josh_Martin said:It died when it stopped being "hardcore/punk" and became just "hardcore" this is as right as it's gonna get what's left is something completely different that took up the name. let's all move on and get ready for the oncoming techno storm. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 4:28pm - the rooster ""] i hope so. there hasn't been anything original in years. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 5:26pm - anonymous ""] if you cant tell the diffrence between terror and as i lay dying your retarted there a huge diffrence in metalcore and hardcore |
| _________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 5:30pm - pisscup ""] gay |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 7:21pm - mike............ ""] "hardcore" in the sense of hardcore punk is not dead. it may not be the biggest draw for people getting into hardcore now, but there are still great bands around like paint it black, das oath and outbreak that stay pretty true to hardcore punk while still being somewhat original. if we take "hardcore" not as hardcore punk, but as what many people consider hardcore now, there are still great bands. even though they broke up bands like majority rule, city of caterpillar played a creative variety of hardcore. for bands around now, cursed is a great example of a creative hardcore band. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 9:26pm - xmikex ""] [img] |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 9:30pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] I don't know why those bands even bother playing shows, anymore. They should just all agree to meet up on MySpace IM and exchange n00dz at a predetermined time. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 10:06pm - silky ""] listen to bones brigade. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 10:21pm - timma ""] ATNFAC_Vokillz said:im listening to techno now. boopbeedeeboopbeedeeboopbeedee. damn, thats a funky beat. hmm, interesting. sounds strikingly similar to the ass fire deuce i just dropped. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 30,2005 10:59pm - PatMeebles ""] silky said:listen to bones brigade. yes |
| ____________________________ [Dec 1,2005 3:02am - pam ""] Joe/NotCommon said:GhettoBeeKeeper said:Harcore = Metal = Hardcore their is no difference anymore. The only way to tell a "hardcore" band from a "metal" band is they way the dress/look/what record label they are on, Thats it! Unless you sound like hardcore bands from the 80s and they you are only trying to be retro or ironic and you suck anyway you are a complete idiot ......he's kidding right? |
| ____________________________ [Dec 1,2005 3:05am - pam ""] is that makeup on that dude or black eyes? |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 2,2005 2:58pm - Spaldino at work ""] pam said:is that makeup on that dude or black eyes? its "make up" that was applied by mikeXmike's fists |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 2,2005 3:06pm - KeithMutiny ""] hardcore killed itself, people got tired of fake tough guys and shitty attitudes. Oh ya and that other thing, what was it they did again? oh ya, it was play music, ya that sucked too. |
| ____________________________ [Dec 2,2005 4:27pm - pam ""] Spaldino at work said:pam said:is that makeup on that dude or black eyes? its "make up" that was applied by mikeXmike's fists awwwwesome |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 2,2005 9:35pm - Rich Horror NLI ""] This is about hardcore and no one mentioned my band. I hate everyone with eyes. |