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[QUOTE="Okay.%20Right..:615892"]HailTheLeaf said:[QUOTE] I'm quite aware of Brazil's sugar cane production, we grow it too, down south. We could easily inport more at a lower cost if the cost of sugar here weren't artifically high due to import quotas and tariffs. High fructose corn syrup is even worse for you to consume than sugar, and I'd love to know why they think it's nessecsary to put it in things like ketchup. At any rate, I'm sure we could have plenty of farmers grow sugar cane instead of corn and produce enough ethenol to run a % of cars on it. [/QUOTE] Yes the problem would be solved if we burnt all of Brazil's land, killed all the people (they make wonderful fertilizer) and had it grow sugar. But guess what? I don't think Brazil would approve. Sugar cane is a tropical crop meaning it need high temperatures and high moisture. 90% of the United States does not have these conditions and certainly not most of our current farm land. Even if we converted all our land possible to growing sugar, we wouldn't have nearly enough. You cannot fucking just grow sugar where we're growing corn. You try growing sugar in your back yard and find out why. Low or no tariffs isn't going to solve the issue either. They would never ship us enough sugar for any energy solution. I advice you to take macro economics 101 to find out why Brazil isn't completely as mentally handicapped as you are. The prices aren't high to fuck you over using ethanol, they're high because of supply and demand. Who cares what you think; the prices are high and thats the reality. And how the fuck does what is healthier to eat have any relevance to this at all? I guess hippies just love to throw bullshit facts to get your attention away from the real issue. [QUOTE] The electric cars in the early 90's worked very well, large battery or not. If GM didn't have their heads up their ass I'm sure the batteries would be even smaller and go farther now...you could charge your car with solar panels on your garage so I'd love to know why none are being produced...yet I still see ads for Hummers. [/QUOTE] GM is a company. Companies want to make profit. There was infinitely more profit in gas cars especially since there was already the established infrastructure for it. We do not have an infrastructure for electric cars. Gas prices were not insanely high in the early 90's. Many homes were converting from electric to oil heating back then because it was much cheaper. [QUOTE] Veggie oil is already being produced in mass quantities here, for your FOOD, the fuel you'd be using is USED veggie oil, it's being recycled...there's no extra production needed, it's disposed of at millions of resturants everyday, so there is no extra fossil fuel being used to produce it. If communities grew their own food locally and produced soybean oil in self-sufficient plants, then no fossil fuels would be used. [/QUOTE] Define mass quantities. They're not nearly massive enough to run cars on. Maybe yours and the 5% of shitty cars hippies drive around in, but not most. Imagine if 20, 50, or 100 more people you knew were going to mcdonalds to get their fucking french fry fuel. They would be out every time you went there. There is simply not enough fucking land in this country to grow enough soybeans to power cars. You can grow some in your farm but not every American has a goddamn farm with no job. This point of your also exposes how you [FONT=Large]EITHER CANNOT READ OR BLATANTLY IGNORE RELEVENT FACTS.[/FONT] I said before: * soybean plants requires 27 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced You cannot fucking shove raw soybeans into your fucking car. [QUOTE] Nuclear power creates nuclear waste, which there is no way to dispose of, if you'd like to keep it at your house, go ahead, I'd rather get energy from free sources that produce no toxic waste and aren't going to kill me, like the sun and wind. [/QUOTE] Nuclear waste can be reprocessed (this is banned in the United States because everyone hates nuclear). However the technology on this is still in its infacy. Nuclear waste can be ejected from our planet rather easily unlike any waste product from other methods. Nuclear waste does not endanger the entire planet from global warmer unlike waste products from other methods. [QUOTE] You can't have a solar accident or a wind meltdown..and why the fuck do I want to pay someone else a bill every month for electricity I can have for free? [/QUOTE] You're not going to have a nuclear meltdown unless you are idiotic enough to disable all of the hundreds of safety measures in a power plant to test some experiemental bullshit like they did in Chernobyl. Modern power plants are shielded against a fucking 747 plane flying directly into it. Solar panels produce very very hazardous material while manufacturing. And when the next generation of solar panels come out in 2 years that are twice as efficient (requiring half the surface area) the old ones have to be disposed of property since they too have hazardous materials in them. By no means is this a "clean" energy source. Last time I checked solar panels or wind turbines were definitely not free. "...an article on backyard windmills and their growing feasibility. With the lowest model's price tag, it's about $9,000 and lasts for around 100,000 kilowatt-hours (20 year life), which results in 9 cents per kilowatt-hour. I don't imagine many Americans have $8k-$11k laying around and the current month's rates for energy in my neighborhood are 2.2 cents/kWh for the first 800 kWh and 1.2 cents/kWh after." The more windmills you put up in one place the less efficient they get. You can't just start jamming windmills everywhere on the planet. They take the energy from the wind thus they will slow down the wind most notably if there are many many windmills in one area. This is not a complete solution but is one of our best (too many of these are not going to stop wind). Hippies also don't like these because they kill birds, which is true but retarded. If you are proposing to covering up 1/3 of the land in the United States with black solar panels and huge windmills, then all the power to you. Please note that A LOT of plants and animals would die. But hippies are always ALWAYS hypocrites who lack any scientific understanding. [/QUOTE]
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