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[QUOTE="hlrie:1194584"]I rarely post anything on here but I stumbled upon this thread and since I may be one of the oldest (ugh) veteran metal fans on here, and also a female (though more common now than it was when I younger) I may, or may not, have an interesting perspective on this topic. So the elitism thing is not a new phenomenon and in fact, in some ways it was worse in the 70's/80's then it is now. But then it was mostly metal vs. everything and everyone else and not as much elitism within the genre or scene or whatever you want to call it. This is partly due to how metal fans were exposed to the music and partly due to the times. It was totally a social thing. You had to know other metal fans to get to hear new metal. Tape trading was the thing back then as there was no internet or mp3's or cd's. You got into fan clubs and bands would mail out demo tapes. Only the big bands got their albums printed and sold in stores. This really reinforced the elite mentality. It was like being part of an exclusive club, and it was almost 100% a boys club. Any female fans had to get tough pretty quick and the guys would quiz you on your band/music knowledge constantly because you were a female and couldn't possibly understand what a riff was(we were just there for the guys amusement according to most of them or just a girlfriend). Since there were so few of us we were considered even more of an oddity then the metal fans as a whole. Anyway, it was totally a social thing then. Yes it was about the music but to get to the music you had to be part of the scene. I guess that means we were "hipsters" or "scene-sters" of a sort. When the mid/late 80's hair metal thing happened and metal went into the mainstream of music, then you saw real elitism within the metal community. "Fuck that Poison and Warrant shit! I only listen to Slayer and Merciful Fate!" Sadly, these things would turn into physical altercations more often then not solely based on musical tastes. The elitism is still out there and I think we "veterans" a partly to blame for this. I think we have handed down that mentality to the newer fans. Maybe inadvertently, maybe purposefully, but it is much more complicated and thankfully not nearly as heated as it was. The "good old days" of metal were not always as great as some think. It was a very violent and very hateful time but I know lots of people who tout it as being the only real metal years. Yes, there are still a lot of one genre people which is really sad but there are more and more people who are into music as art not just background music for life. And although there are a lot of bands re-hashing old ideas there are also a ton of amazing bands out there in metal and without the "newbies" a lot of that wouldn't happen. Like what you like and never apologize to anyone for it. You like Hatebreed? Great. You like Britney Spears? Great. Just because I don't should not make it less worthwhile for you. Without the mainstream art and music, you would never get a subculture of those rebelling against it, pushing boundaries and creating something interesting. Long winded old wench post is long. Oh yeah.... Juggalos? Fuck them. Haha[/QUOTE]
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