Define "Raw Black Metal"[views:16344][posts:52]______________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 8:51pm - undercommon ""] Honestly I thought it was the recording style which defined you but apparently it is a genre Not asking for raw black metal bands as example, define the genre |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 8:56pm - dyingmuse ""] Under produced, grim and cold metal with lots of inverted minor versus major chords, some one foot blasts perhaps? Singing about satan whilst wearing lots of corpse paint and bullet belts and spikes? Ummm, you could figure this all out on a youtube/google search. Are you in a "raw Black metal" band? |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 8:57pm - dyingmuse ""] bennyhillifier |
| _______________________________ [Mar 13,2012 8:58pm - yummy ""] raw music I never liked |
| ________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:00pm - Burnsy ""] What is an inverted minor chord? Sounds cool. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:02pm - undercommon ""] dyingmuse said:Under produced, grim and cold metal with lots of inverted minor versus major chords, some one foot blasts perhaps? Singing about satan whilst wearing lots of corpse paint and bullet belts and spikes? Ummm, you could figure this all out on a youtube/google search. Are you in a "raw Black metal" band? Stopped reading after under produced Read the first post |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:03pm - trioxin_245 ""] I would say 'raw' refers more to the style and structure of the songs as opposed to just the production. That is, generally speaking 'raw' means simple and aggressive, as opposed to symphonic or atmospheric. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:04pm - nekronaut ""] trioxin_245 said:I would say 'raw' refers more to the style and structure of the songs as opposed to just the production. That is, generally speaking 'raw' means simple and aggressive, as opposed to symphonic or atmospheric. :point: |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:06pm - Chernobyl ""] trioxin_245 said:I would say 'raw' refers more to the style and structure of the songs as opposed to just the production. That is, generally speaking 'raw' means simple and aggressive, as opposed to symphonic or atmospheric. Agreed but i dont think it limits to just simple though, i think it can be whatever as long as its aggressive, yet it can still Be technical ...some suffo riffs can remind me of this but usually not. In black metal |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:10pm - trioxin_245 ""] Also it means that the black metal hasn't been cooked yet. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:10pm - dyingmuse ""] Production is huge for the genre. There are raw symphonic bm bands as well. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:10pm - KEVORD ""] [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:11pm - trioxin_245 ""] I'm saying that you can be 'raw' black metal and have good production is all. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:11pm - dyingmuse ""] Burnsy said:What is an inverted minor chord? Sounds cool. Ha ha ha kidding right? |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:11pm - Chernobyl ""] trioxin_245 said:I'm saying that you can be 'raw' black metal and have good production is all. Yup |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:12pm - Chernobyl ""] Raw riffs > raw production |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:12pm - josh_hates_you ""] bennyhillifier |
| ________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:14pm - Beleth ""] I'm so mad right now. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:16pm - dyingmuse ""] Chernobyl said:Raw riffs > raw production Raw riff lol, really? Arent all riffs raw before adding other elements? |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:17pm - Josh_Martin ""] bennyhillifier |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:18pm - Josh_Martin ""] that is black metal. "raw" 0r otherwise |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:19pm - dyingmuse ""] Suppose you could post venom there too. About 400 other bands as well. poster said no bands specifically. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:25pm - KEVORD ""] [img] |
| ________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:25pm - Burnsy ""] dyingmuse said: Burnsy said:What is an inverted minor chord? Sounds cool. Ha ha ha kidding right? Lol yeah just busting your balls dude. Though i'm no theory master, i'm not quite sure what you mean by that. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:29pm - dyingmuse ""] moving the root note for different voicings. You get a huge difference in effect by doing so. Like making the 5th the dominant note and the root the higher note or any other combo. Try it out if you havent man, you will be pleasantly surprised by the grimness \m/ |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:30pm - dyingmuse ""] KEVORD said:[img] Ha ha ha ha, you the man |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:32pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] [/threadwin] |
| ________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:38pm - Burnsy ""] dyingmuse said:moving the root note for different voicings. You get a huge difference in effect by doing so. Like making the 5th the dominant note and the root the higher note or any other combo. Try it out if you havent man, you will be pleasantly surprised by the grimness \m/ I get what your saying. I just don't know how that makes it an inverted minor. Sounds like you're messing around with intervals but not necessarily chords. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:39pm - Chernobyl ""] Burnsy said: dyingmuse said: Burnsy said:What is an inverted minor chord? Sounds cool. Ha ha ha kidding right? Lol yeah just busting your balls dude. Though i'm no theory master, i'm not quite sure what you mean by that. I think hes referring to the power chord with the middle finger on the b string..correct me if im bro |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:40pm - dyingmuse ""] Chernobyl said: Burnsy said: dyingmuse said: Burnsy said:What is an inverted minor chord? Sounds cool. Ha ha ha kidding right? Lol yeah just busting your balls dude. Though i'm no theory master, i'm not quite sure what you mean by that. I think hes referring to the power chord with the middle finger on the b string..correct me if im bro Nope |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:43pm - dyingmuse ""] There are many chord forms man, different voices to play. Also, depends on your tuning, if you are in E I think you just mean a full bar chord of whatever key you are in with the extra low 4th? That's not really an inversion, though as I said I don't know your tuning or what fret you are refering to |
| ________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:49pm - Burnsy ""] Any inversion of a chord is the relation of the notes of the chord. I mess around with all tons of different chords. I'm just pretty sure that raw black metal isn't about inversions of minor chords. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:50pm - arilliusbm ""] Carcass' Heartwork is raw black metal. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 9:56pm - dyingmuse ""] yes, it is about inversions man, That is what makes black metal. Raw or not 99% of BM is inverted chords. Please name one without. Im not talking about moving a chord up an octave. I am not giving a music lesson here, I'm just stating the facts. By all means, I am no fucking guitar god ha ha. I do however know after 25 years of playing guitar what an inversion is and what makes that black and errie blck metal sound on the guitar ha ha. But to each his own and think what you want mr know it all ha ha ha. heartwork is definitely BM ha ha ha |
| _________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 10:22pm - Burnsy ""] Far from a know it all, dude. Just engaging in a discussion. From personal experience, not the stuff I write, but from a lot of what I've heard in black metal, it doesn't get too tricky theory wise. A lot of black metal is power chords, minor thirds and riffs that keep the same form and raise or lower a half step, rinse and repeat. Also, the majority of black metal bands that DO play chords as opposed to just intervals in their music resort to minor bar chords. If they messed with more inversions, black metal would probably be a lot more interesting. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 10:29pm - dyingmuse ""] The know it all comment was a joke ha ha, was kidding man. What bands have you been listening to? Just about all Norwegian (satryicon, Ulver, DHG, Emperor) bands play mainly iverted chords and bar chords. The notes are the same as any minor chord, just the second of 3rd note in a chord may be the 1st so youd get like, so say you get 5 on the E 3 on the A and 2 on the D strings this is a stupid example but maybe you are over simplifying the meaning of inversions versus 1st position minor chords. Sometimes, bit more rare, they play tritones which I am a huge fan of. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 10:52pm - undercommon ""] Burnsy said:Far from a know it all, dude. Just engaging in a discussion. From personal experience, not the stuff I write, but from a lot of what I've heard in black metal, it doesn't get too tricky theory wise. A lot of black metal is power chords, minor thirds and riffs that keep the same form and raise or lower a half step, rinse and repeat. Also, the majority of black metal bands that DO play chords as opposed to just intervals in their music resort to minor bar chords. If they messed with more inversions, black metal would probably be a lot more interesting. You're listening to the wrong black metal bands |
| _________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 10:53pm - Burnsy ""] I'm describing the bands I don't listen to much. ;-) |
| _________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 11:04pm - Burnsy ""] I'm just saying most black metal bands either play the minor bar chords based on the E minor and A minor shapes in the open position or they play power chords, which aren't really chords. They are perfect fifths. A chord requires at least three notes. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 11:07pm - dyingmuse ""] Nope, not really. Like undercommon said, you are listening to the wrong bands. Post the bands you do listen to, and I'm sure there will be said chords that I/we can point out |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 11:14pm - dyingmuse ""] bennyhillifier My favorite BM band |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 11:20pm - dyingmuse ""] bennyhillifier Here is a stupid video of inversions. The guy is a jerk off btw ha ha. It's literally the first one that came up |
| _________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 11:22pm - Burnsy ""] Darkthrone, Burzum. Both bands I can consider "raw black metal." They mostly just play intervals. Whatever, I'm bored. Time to go write shit that sounds like nuts and bolts being mixed in a blender. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 11:27pm - Burnsy ""] Watch hockey, drink beer, get pussy and write ugly music. That is all that matters. |
| _____________________________________________ [Mar 13,2012 11:54pm - nekronautloggedin ""] Keep on RAWkin in the free world. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 14,2012 12:17am - goatcatalyst ""] Red Satan prefers it raw while Black Satan likes it a little more like "Aspera Hiems..." |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 14,2012 12:26am - gay guy ""] [img] |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 14,2012 3:47am - Chernobyl ""] dyingmuse said: bennyhillifier My favorite BM band I know what the inversion you are referring to and i use them all the time, however i have heard them referred to as triads I think |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 14,2012 7:34am - aaron_michael ""] [img] |
| ______________________________ [Mar 15,2012 7:45am - Yeti ""] what is raw black metal? something you've probably never heard. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 15,2012 11:53am - Thunderstool ""] Chernobyl said: dyingmuse said: bennyhillifier My favorite BM band I know what the inversion you are referring to and i use them all the time, however i have heard them referred to as triads I think I thought the triads were some asian gang. |
| ____________________________________________ [Mar 15,2012 4:58pm - unchain_the_wolves ""] Haxen, Veles, Cryfemal |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 15,2012 5:21pm - Thunderstool ""] The only raw black metal I'm familiar with is the black steel dildo I keep in my freezer for those lonely nights. |