Drum Triggers for Recording. Thoughts? Advice?[views:8140][posts:18]_________________________________ [Jun 10,2012 10:40am - bigred ""] Katahdin is looking to record in a couple weeks and i've been considering getting a Kick and Snare trigger for recording purposes. Do I NEED a module in order to do this?? or can I run them direct into the interface and sample the hits with a real snare/kick or a sample that sounds good? Also, anybody have any equip they're looking to sell? Trigger or Module? Brands to stay away from?? DDrum offers them for about $60-80 a piece depending on the trigger, and they have a cheap module for about $200... module sounds a bit too cheap considering most are $600+ |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 10,2012 11:30am - joeyvsdavidlopan ""] I believe you can run them direct in; my understanding was that they're generating signal anyways, so you should get a good clean signal to use sound replacement with. Also, I think I remember reading somewhere (probably Tape Op) that Kurt Ballou at some point used triggers and blended in the trigger signal with whichever drum it was on to give it a little more attack. |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 10,2012 11:32am - thirdknuckle ""] better to close-mic live drums and use sound replacer on the tracks after. you can blend live/sound replacer tracks to your liking as well. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 10,2012 1:54pm - nocuous_fumes_nli ""] Run them XLR direct into your interface. Use sound replacer, drumagog or something similar for replacement, triggering off of a miked track is hell. I usually mike the kick and snare and blend the two with triggered samples. For best results with the samples, record one-shot hits from your actual kit in the same room then chop them and drop them into your sound replacing pluggin so everything sounds natural, coherent and in phase. |
| ___________________________________________________ [Jun 10,2012 2:20pm - Triggers are for Asshats ""] Triggers are for bro core fucktards and are a waste of money and time. Then again I have it on good authority that you guys might be bro core fucktards what with the pooping 7 string rhythm guitarist and what not. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 10,2012 2:35pm - Fake JIMBO ""] Triggers%20are%20for%20Asshats said:Triggers are for bro core fucktards and are a waste of money and time. Then again I have it on good authority that you guys might be bro core fucktards what with the pooping 7 string rhythm guitarist and what not. There's always one retard that doesn't understand what triggers do. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 10,2012 6:25pm - thirdknuckle ""] nocuous_fumes_nli said:triggering off of a miked track is hell. never had any trouble with it. You also get the live drum sound to use when you're mixing. unless you know up front that the live drum sound is going to be shit... then you have no chance of having natural sounding drums; 100% processed drums will never sound real, no matter what samples you use |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 10,2012 6:39pm - slar you morbid? ""] Triggers%20are%20for%20Asshats said:pooping 7 string rhythm guitarist and what not. lolwat |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 10,2012 6:43pm - arktouros ""] thirdknuckle said:better to close-mic live drums and use sound replacer on the tracks after. you can blend live/sound replacer tracks to your liking as well. that |
| ________________________________________ [Jun 11,2012 12:49am - Nocuous_Fumes ""] thirdknuckle said: nocuous_fumes_nli said:triggering off of a miked track is hell. never had any trouble with it. You also get the live drum sound to use when you're mixing. unless you know up front that the live drum sound is going to be shit... then you have no chance of having natural sounding drums; 100% processed drums will never sound real, no matter what samples you use Oh I agree 100%, you've got to have at least some of the real drum in there or it sounds like a fucking typewriter. What I'm saying, is record two tracks for the kick, one trigger, one close mike and use both (a trigger when recorded dry will send just a spike with zero decay, way less miss-triggers than a close mike track, especially with the super fast shit: FACT) then 3 tracks on the snare, top, bottom and trigger, same concept. Then for the samples themselves, have the drummer record single hits of the kick and snare at some point in the session, drop them into drumagog and use those for your samples so they play nice with the rest of the drum sound from the beginning. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 11,2012 9:38am - Edward_Twizzlerhands ""] Fake%20JIMBO said: Triggers%20are%20for%20Asshats said:Triggers are for bro core fucktards and are a waste of money and time. Then again I have it on good authority that you guys might be bro core fucktards what with the pooping 7 string rhythm guitarist and what not. There's always one retard that doesn't understand what triggers do. Make a nice drum set sound like a plastic piece of shit? |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 11,2012 10:15am - arktouros ""] 1) make a nice drum set audible 2) make a nice drum set audible in a mix 3) turns a shit drum sample into a decent one 4) possibly misused to make a nice drum set sound like shit |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 11,2012 12:01pm - SLAGNot ""] arktouros said:1) make a nice drum set audible 2) make a nice drum set audible in a mix 3) turns a shit drum sample into a decent one 4) possibly misused to make a nice drum set sound like shit This and mostly this. Not that I would know anything about it. The drums are literally one of if not the easiest (for me) to get sounding great. Two great overhead mics ( keyword see: "shouldn't actually be over the fucking drummers head if you want anything but cymbal wash and shouldn't be called overheads" ), a snare mic that is at LEAST 8" to 12" away from the drum skin and a kick drum mic that captures what you want from it.... unless you're playing that tech death shit and your drummer needs to jack himself off to the barrage of tom fills he does every second measure. In that case, go fuck yourself. In reality, the only drum that I have ever had consistent (keyword see: "quality sounding not like a toy robot shooting lasers at a tin can sound") success with blending a sample with is the kick drum. Again, blending, not replacing. And uh... if your drum set sounds like shit in the room, I have some news for you. It's going to sound like shit in the mics as well. Weird coincidence, I know. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 11,2012 12:07pm - SLAGNot ""] And I didn't read what any one else wrote. Don't care/Don't drum replace. THE MOAR YOU KNOW! |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 11,2012 12:21pm - dunkins and donuts ""] THIS THREAD TRIGGAHED MY INTEREST GET A CAWFFEE ABOT IT |
| ___________________________________________________ [Jun 11,2012 1:38pm - triggers are for asshats ""] slar%20you%20morbid? said: Triggers%20are%20for%20Asshats said:pooping 7 string rhythm guitarist and what not. lolwat[img][img] |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 11,2012 1:44pm - eyeroller ""] How about you just get a drummer who hits the drums like a non-pussy? |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 11,2012 1:47pm - not slag ""] And that too |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 12,2012 2:52am - archaeonnli ""] thirdknuckle said:better to close-mic live drums and use sound replacer on the tracks after. you can blend live/sound replacer tracks to your liking as well. |