Cryptopsy newer track, actually isn't bad.
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[Aug 14,2012 2:05am - chernobyl ""]
bennyhillifier
I thought this was gonna suck considering the last album and almost didn't bother to listen but the original guitar player is back and heard good things. Sounds good thus far. I will have to say the artwork sucks ass though. It seems they have returned.
[Aug 14,2012 2:25am - MikeOv ""]
chernobyl said:
I thought this was gonna suck considering the last album and almost didn't bother to listen but the original guitar player is back.act
See, I told you the only reason this album might be redeeming is the fact that Jon Levasseur is back.
It will amuse me if they just released two tracks that are slightly reminiscent of Whisper Supremacy, only to then douche everyone with a full on Incubus/Deathcore hybrid style, again.
[Aug 14,2012 2:26am - MikeOv ""]
Strike "act".
[Aug 14,2012 2:47am - Spence ""]
I never got the hype with this band, even their older stuff is pretty painful to listen to IMO.
[Aug 14,2012 3:00am - chernobyl ""]
Spence said:I never got the hype with this band, even their older stuff is pretty painful to listen to IMO.
k
[Aug 14,2012 3:04am - Spence ""]
Don't get me wrong, I still respect these guys.
It's kind of like how I am with Suffocation and Origin. These bands do cool things and are obviously talented as fuck, but I personally just can't get into that more brutal side of death metal.
As a whole though, it wouldn't surprise me if this album is mainly their newer deathcore shit - just with one or two "good oldschool" songs.
[Aug 14,2012 7:03am - arilliusbm ""]
No Lord Worm, no care.
[Aug 14,2012 7:47am - trioxin_245 ""]
arilliusbm said:No Lord Worm, no care.
Whisper Supremacy was a killer album.
[Aug 14,2012 7:54am - Mark_R ""]
^ agreed.
It's been so long since I was nuts over Cryptopsy that I'd have to make an effort to really get back into them, but I'll check these songs out in a little bit.
I remember kids used to flip their lids over these guys, they were one of the pillars of death metal through ATYB. You could sense they were struggling to "hang on" around the time of None So Live which was a good effort with its vocalist. But the fall from grace for them in the last decade was maybe the biggest downward spiral for any major death metal band. Lately it was looking like when the history of death metal gets written, Cryptopsy would be reduced to just a footnote when once they were demigods. They have an uphill battle to get back up in the pantheon.
[Aug 14,2012 8:22am - largefreakatzero ""]
Spence said:
I personally just can't get into that more brutal side of death metal.
I blame Aril for this kid.
And I'm still not convinced that this isn't some elaborate troll.
[Aug 14,2012 8:33am - arilliusbm ""]
I like all their older material. Just Lord Worm was a unique vocalist and had character. Before I bought it,
I remember listening to Whisper Supremacy tracks on mp3.com when the album came out and that site was good.
BRING BACK MP3.COM
[Aug 14,2012 8:34am - ark in ur base ""]
I liked Lord Worm, I liked Once Was Not, this new song is way to polished and I'd rather spin WS once again, nice try MES FRERES
[Aug 14,2012 8:40am - ark in ur base ""]
largefreakatzero said:
Spence said:
I personally just can't get into that more brutal side of death metal.
I blame Aril for this kid.
And I'm still not convinced that this isn't some elaborate troll.
not a troll. but i have no idea what he means. you either like death metal or you don't. there is no two sides, just bad bands.
[Aug 14,2012 8:45am - Spence ""]
I like my death metal thrashie, I like my death metal proggie/jazzie and I like my death metal doom-esque.
Don't really care too much for brutality and technical wankery.
[Aug 14,2012 9:29am - xmikex ""]
Spence said:Don't get me wrong, I still respect these guys.
Well don't.
Remember the shitfit they threw when they found out their old fans weren't behind them wanting to be the next Puff Daddy? This band is over with.
[Aug 14,2012 9:31am - Lamp ""]
Spence said:I never got the hype with this band, even their older stuff is pretty painful to listen to IMO.
This. Cryptopsy is the kind of death metal that made me think I didn't like death metal for years.
[Aug 14,2012 9:35am - KEVORD ""]
I'm the King of Worcester Death Metal and even I have never been a big fan of Cryptopsy. Never understood why they got so big. Also I don't understand liking death metal and not liking Suffocation and Origin.
[Aug 14,2012 9:59am - largefreakatzero ""]
If it doesn't have some aspect of brutality/aggression/hatefulness, chances are it isn't death metal, but some other sub-genre.
Or currently, it's some faggots wearing girl pants that are pretending.
[Aug 14,2012 10:07am - largefreakatzero ""]
Also, the Craptopsy track isn't terrible, and certainly not as laughable as the last album. BUT, I did see at least 2 instances of faux-hawks on the YouTube clips. Is it that the French just can't help but look gay?
[Aug 14,2012 10:09am - Spence ""]
I consider aggression/rageeeee to be something different from brutality.
Aggression is something found in punk, thrash, all death metal, etc.
I think Obituary, early Sepultura, Pestilence, Death, etc, etc. is all aggressive as fuck. (and awesome)
I think Dying Fetus, Suffocation, Brain Drill, Cattle Decapitation, etc. is brutal as fuck. (and not my cup of tea)
[Aug 14,2012 10:32am - largefreakatzero ""]
Spence said:I consider aggression/rageeeee to be something different from brutality.
Aggression is something found in punk, thrash, all death metal, etc.
I think Obituary, early Sepultura, Pestilence, Death, etc, etc. is all aggressive as fuck. (and awesome)
I think Dying Fetus, Suffocation, Brain Drill, Cattle Decapitation, etc. is brutal as fuck. (and not my cup of tea)
There is certainly some aspects of brutality in Obituary, early Sepultura, Pestilence, Death, etc. and I like all these bands as well. Though they are not the same type of death metal as Dying Fetus (boring), Suffocation (good up to their EP), Brain Drill (boring), Cattle Decapitation (needs to go away), or Origin (fairly awesome). Some bands just do it right and others don't.
[Aug 14,2012 10:32am - ark in ur base ""]
overthinking death metal 101
[Aug 14,2012 10:33am - ark in ur base ""]
brain drill, cattle decap, origin all have grind elements in it. so does cryptopsy. just say you don't like grind. if i have to think about a difference between agressive death metal and brutal death metal please kill me.
[Aug 14,2012 10:35am - Spence ""]
I just don't like the overproduced, MEGA BLAST BEATS, technical wankery death metal.
I'm also VERY picky when it comes to harsh vocals and can't stand pig squealing, most black metal vocals, etc.
[Aug 14,2012 10:36am - Spence ""]
No I definitely don't like grindcore, at all.
I like Dystopia but they have other genres fused, and I like some Carcass. But that's really about it.
I wasn't saying brutal death metal and aggressive death metal were genres, I just think of brutality as the descriptive term to the death metal I don't like.
[Aug 14,2012 10:37am - J. Walter Weatherman ""]
Spence said:I just don't like the overproduced, MEGA BLAST BEATS, technical wankery death metal.
I'm also VERY picky when it comes to harsh vocals and can't stand pig squealing, most black metal vocals, etc.
And THAT'S why you don't let n00bz post on your forum.
[Aug 14,2012 10:40am - Yeti ""]
i put Cryptopsy and Hate Eternal in the same boring-as-fuck category.
[Aug 14,2012 10:44am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
thank you for filling us in on all of your likes and dislikes. now i can rest more easily.
[Aug 14,2012 10:46am - ark in ur base ""]
hahaha
[Aug 14,2012 10:48am - arilliusbm ""]
J.%20Walter%20Weatherman said:
Spence said:I just don't like the overproduced, MEGA BLAST BEATS, technical wankery death metal.
I'm also VERY picky when it comes to harsh vocals and can't stand pig squealing, most black metal vocals, etc.
And THAT'S why you don't let n00bz post on your forum.
Yea, because no one else is a noob here.
[Aug 14,2012 10:55am - Lamp ""]
ark%20in%20ur%20base said:brain drill, cattle decap, origin all have grind elements in it. so does cryptopsy. just say you don't like grind. if i have to think about a difference between agressive death metal and brutal death metal please kill me.
head...
exploding...
[Aug 14,2012 10:57am - Lamp ""]
Spence said:No I definitely don't like grindcore, at all.
I like Dystopia but they have other genres fused, and I like some Carcass. But that's really about it.
Damn dude, seems you need to brush up on your shit.
Dystopia is definitely NOT a grind band and I wouldn't consider Carcass one either.
Aside from this, what bands would you consider to be grind?
[Aug 14,2012 10:58am - arilliusbm ""]
The simple answer is:
Death metal should be gritty, not over-produced. It was never meant to have pop-like production. I don't care what sub genre it is.
[Aug 14,2012 10:59am - Spence ""]
I always just considered grind to be bands like Phobia, Nasum, Napalm Death, Insect Warfare, etc.
Based off what i've heard and seen live, it was just never my thing. So I never cared to properly identify the genre.
If you have any bands that will totally shatter my perspective on grindcore though, i'm welcome to suggestions.
[Aug 14,2012 10:59am - largefreakatzero ""]
ark%20in%20ur%20base said:overthinking death metal 101
Yeah definitely, I need to get out of this stupid fucking thread. Later.
[Aug 14,2012 11:01am - arilliusbm ""]
Lamp likes punk grind.
[Aug 14,2012 11:01am - Lamp ""]
Spence said:I always just considered grind to be bands like Phobia, Nasum, Napalm Death, Insect Warfare, etc.
Based off what i've heard and seen live, it was just never my thing. So I never cared to properly identify the genre.
If you have any bands that will totally shatter my perspective on grindcore though, i'm welcome to suggestions.
I dunno, probably not. You seem to have a decent grasp on it, though I can't get into Phobia and Nasum anymore and only like 80s Napalm Death and Insect Warfare.
I've got a good handle on all kinds of primitive stuff that sounds like the olds these days, but probably not your thing.
One thing there's an outside chance you may dig...
bennyhillifier
[Aug 14,2012 11:02am - MetalThursday ""]
Absolutely love the first 4 albums. The first 2 especially were a big influence on my bass playing & drum programming for the most recent Despoilment material and some of the stuff I was writing during the last days of Bane of Existence.
[Aug 14,2012 11:02am - Lamp ""]
arilliusbm said:Death metal should be gritty, not over-produced. It was never meant to have pop-like production. I don't care what sub genre it is.
+1 like button
[Aug 14,2012 11:03am - CurlyRed ""]
I think it is easier to like a band or not...all this categorization makes my head spin lol
[Aug 14,2012 11:06am - Spence ""]
arilliusbm said:Lamp likes punk grind.
So... crust? haha
And thanks Lamp, i'll check that album out later today. I've heard of Terrorizer plenty, but I don't think I ever actually listened to them before.
[Aug 14,2012 11:07am - Lamp ""]
I guess I can sort of understand the "not being into the categorization" thing, but being a guy who prefers to not just know, but know why I like a band, I like genre discussions a lot. Not to mention, if you're able to sort bands like you would sort books in a library, it's easier to find more cool shit to listen to and get other people into more things they might like.
[Aug 14,2012 11:08am - Lamp ""]
Spence said:
arilliusbm said:Lamp likes punk grind.
So... crust? haha
Nope. Two different genres. They blend together sometimes, but punk grind does not equal crust.
[Aug 14,2012 11:15am - CurlyRed ""]
Lamp said:I guess I can sort of understand the "not being into the categorization" thing, but being a guy who prefers to not just know, but know why I like a band, I like genre discussions a lot. Not to mention, if you're able to sort bands like you would sort books in a library, it's easier to find more cool shit to listen to and get other people into more things they might like.
I can totally appreciate this. I guess I am all over the map as to what I like vs what I don't. I'll give anything a listen once regardless of genre. Being a product of the 80's you guys would be mortified at some of the stuff I like lol
[Aug 14,2012 11:59am - ark ""]
Lamp said:
ark%20in%20ur%20base said:brain drill, cattle decap, origin all have grind elements in it. so does cryptopsy. just say you don't like grind. if i have to think about a difference between agressive death metal and brutal death metal please kill me.
head...
exploding...
am I wrong here? ice sewn them categorized as tech death grind a lot
[Aug 14,2012 12:04pm - Lamp ""]
I dunno, perhaps I'm kind being kind of elitist, but all grind is "punk grind" to me and "tech grind" is a complete oxymoron. When a band displays technical prowess aside from blast beats, they just become a death/black metal band in my eyes.
[Aug 14,2012 12:06pm - arilliusbm ""]
What about shit like The Berzerker?
[Aug 14,2012 12:07pm - MikeOv ""]
Discordance Axis - The Inalienable Dreamless could be labeled "tech grind".
[Aug 14,2012 12:11pm - Lamp ""]
arilliusbm said:What about shit like The Berzerker?
Who?
[Aug 14,2012 12:12pm - Lamp ""]
MikeOv said:Discordance Axis - The Inalienable Dreamless could be labeled "tech grind".
Discordance Axis is also a freak, one of a kind band that while I like (not the album you mentioned as much as Jouhou, but I digress), they're such an oddball band that I would never tell people they're essential and I also get skeptical whenever someone who likes grind lists this as one of their favorite bands.
[Aug 14,2012 12:15pm - MikeOv ""]
I prefer Jouhou as well, but just slightly.
[Aug 14,2012 12:21pm - Lamp ""]
The thing that makes DA even harder to put in a place is that when you really listen to the riffs, they use odd chords, but it seems like a lot of the riffs are very simplistic aside from that... technical? Maybe?
[Aug 14,2012 12:32pm - MikeOv ""]
This is what matters to me at 12:30 this afternoon
[YOUTUBE=BNMpO55nCmk+
+ 324's Customized Circle
[Aug 14,2012 12:32pm - MikeOv ""]
bennyhillifier
[Aug 14,2012 12:33pm - MikeOv ""]
That's more like it.
[Aug 14,2012 12:41pm - The_Rooster ""]
This is actually pretty rad. Happy to hear it's not just the fucking "Flo Show" anymore.
Lord Worm is awful. DiSalvo was the shit. I know that's not the popular viewpoint, but "Whisper Supremacy" is one of the most insanely brutal albums ever, and his vocals are a big part of that, IMO.
None So Vile would be at least 10% better if Worm wasn't howling over those riffs. haha.
I don't really listen to Cryptopsy, or much Deathmetal at all these days, but NSV, and WS are unfuckwithable.
[Aug 14,2012 12:51pm - zyklon ""]
This shit sucks
[Aug 14,2012 1:34pm - ark in ur base ""]
DEP - Calculating Infinity, it's grind, it's tech, and pretty far from the death metal spectrum.
[Aug 14,2012 1:35pm - ark in ur base ""]
also there's that word "deathgrind" which i would lump certain cannibal corpses into. hey, it's a valid subgenre.
[Aug 14,2012 1:39pm - Lamp ""]
Dillinger Escape Plan is NOT grind, okay!
[Aug 14,2012 1:40pm - ark in ur base ""]
right, it's not, because of like, what they stand for, man.
[Aug 14,2012 1:41pm - Lamp ""]
DEP falls into that math/jazz metal category, nothing to do with grind. Blast beats does not equal grind.
Death grind = Death metal bands who can't write long songs and fall back on "grind" so they can get away with their own incompetence.
[Aug 14,2012 1:42pm - ark in ur base ""]
i guess my point is death metal and grind reciprocate influences and sound from each other. cryptopsy has grind elements...right?
[Aug 14,2012 1:44pm - ark in ur base ""]
your first sentence was fact, second sentence was opinion
[Aug 14,2012 1:47pm - Lamp ""]
I don't think Cryptopsy's riffing and song structures bear much resemblance to grind at all, just because aside from the drumming (Flo Mournier is above grindcore drummers with his level of ability, btw) that grind is a primitive genre and always has been.
Perhaps guys in that band listen to what I would consider "true" grind, but just because a band has slight hints of that in their sound doesn't mean it's what a band is. My band has blast beats and it's debatable that we have touches of old Napalm Death, but we're not a grind band.
[Aug 14,2012 1:47pm - arilliusbm ""]
Lykathea Aflame:
spiritual death metal with melodic metal influence but GRIND elements all throughout. Tomas Corn from Garbage Disposal drummed on Elvenefris. If you disagree, you are WRONG.
[Aug 14,2012 1:50pm - Lamp ""]
And I'll say once again, just because a band has elements of a certain genre doesn't mean they are a certain genre.
[Aug 14,2012 1:51pm - ark in ur base ""]
agreed
[Aug 14,2012 1:53pm - Lamp ""]
There are plenty of grind bands out there that have death metal or perhaps more overt punk influence that I wouldn't consider those other genres too. Whole lot of "grindviolence" out there these days. The Magrudergrind/ACxDC school of such piss didn't really age so well to me, just sounds diluted.
[Aug 14,2012 1:58pm - Mark_R ""]
arilliusbm said: Tomas Corn from Garbage Disposal drummed on Elvenefris. If you disagree, you are WRONG.
This is kind of a funny sentence, out of context. You should angrily yell that in someone's face randomly on the street.
On a side note, where can I get the re-release of this
[Aug 14,2012 2:02pm - arilliusbm ""]
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=320887351940
[Aug 14,2012 5:27pm - Dertoxianli ""]
This thread is bananas.
[Aug 23,2012 9:38pm - pink shark ""]
3 new cryptopsy tunes alone slaughter the new nile album hands down. Yeah, I've gone there! Can't wait 4 the full album!
[Aug 23,2012 9:42pm - FUNAKI ""]
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