Everyone keeps talking to me about the lack of posts, terrible trolls, etc...[views:24793][posts:70]______________________________________ [May 16,2014 3:54pm - the_reverend ""] but no one is doing anything about it... if you don't like it, post. |
| ______________________________________________________ [May 16,2014 4:00pm - lack of post terrible troll ""] something about it. |
| _______________________________________________________ [May 16,2014 4:10pm - DYA is DUAL BISMUTH YAW GATE ""] FIRST |
| ______________________________________________________________ [May 16,2014 4:13pm - RTTP DEPT OF BROKEN FUCKING RECORDS ""] NO ONE TALKS ABOUT MUSIC ANYMORE AND WHENEVER SOMEONE DOES THEY GET MADE FUN OF *Goes on Facebook and posts videos of awful bands. Confuses liking every single band with having diverse taste in music.* ALL ANYONE EVER POSTS ARE STUPID IMMATURE JOKES *Realizes they've grown up to be a boring fagget with no sense of humor* THE ONLY ONES THAT POST ARE ANONYMOUS TROLLS!! IT'S SO ANNOYING!! *Logs out as soon as they see something they don't like to talk shit NLI. Pretends they never do.* ANONYMOUS TROLLS ARE RUINING THE SCENE *Listens to metal because they grew up without friends. Still has no friends because is fagget.* WHAT DO I CARE WHAT RTTP THINKS? YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF RACIST/SEXIST ASSHOLES *Goes on Facebook to push their own politics and views on everyone. Fagget friends don't give a shit but refuse to "Shutup Fagget" b/c they realize it's the best and most effective catch phrase ever and won't admit RTTP was right all along* YOU TROLLS CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT. YOUR IMMATURE BULLSHIT WON'T STOP ME/MY BAND/MY PROMOTION COMPANY *Deletes facebook/Gets kicked off show/Breaks up band/deletes everyone associated with RTTP from facebook/still gets trolled* |
| ____________________________________ [May 16,2014 4:14pm - arilliusbm ""] I'm only going to post RIP threads and effect pedal threads with no responses from now on. |
| ____________________________________ [May 16,2014 4:21pm - Alx_Casket ""] You're right, I've been seriously lacking on posting cat pictures. |
| ______________________________ [May 16,2014 4:30pm - Lamp ""] the_reverend said:but no one is doing anything about it... if you don't like it, post. This is YOUR board. How about YOU shut off the anonymous posting because WE don't have that ability! |
| ______________________________________ [May 16,2014 4:31pm - not_a_troll ""] [img] |
| _______________________________________________________ [May 16,2014 4:34pm - DYA is DUAL BISMUTH YAW GATE ""] Lamp said: the_reverend said:but no one is doing anything about it... if you don't like it, post. This is YOUR board. How about YOU shut off the anonymous posting because WE don't have that ability! Or, just post? Anon rules, ok? |
| _______________________________________________________ [May 16,2014 4:41pm - DYA is DUAL BISMUTH YAW GATE ""] Anonymous posting stops exactly 0 people from posting (that aren't desperately insecure in themselves, that is). |
| ______________________________ [May 16,2014 4:45pm - Lamp ""] It's not even a matter of it preventing people from posting logged in, but the quality ratio takes a severe beating when you factor in people abusing that privilege like they have been for years now. Who the fuck would honestly want to read a board where for every legit post, there's about 15 posts of the same corny, rehashed, unfunny bullshit that's in literally EVERY thread perpetuated by people that don't even have accounts here anyway? |
| ______________________________ [May 16,2014 4:46pm - Lamp ""] And really, how fucking insulting is it when the only person who actually has the ability to clamp down on this and take a real step to improve the quality ratio on this forum shovels it onto people like us who actually post not anonymously and acts like it's our problem for not posting enough? |
| __________________________________ [May 16,2014 4:54pm - TimRiley ""] And then I post. And the thread goes dead in.... 3............ 2........... 1........... |
| ________________________________ [May 16,2014 5:00pm - xmikex ""] Anons forever. Lamp never. |
| ______________________________ [May 16,2014 5:05pm - Yeti ""] Lamp said:It's not even a matter of it preventing people from posting logged in, but the quality ratio takes a severe beating when you factor in people abusing that privilege like they have been for years now. Who the fuck would honestly want to read a board where for every legit post, there's about 15 posts of the same corny, rehashed, unfunny bullshit that's in literally EVERY thread perpetuated by people that don't even have accounts here anyway? it is a catch 22, I don't think anonymous posting should be shut off, there have been some amazing trolls. However the Thunderstool/Duncan $18 things do get really fucking annoying and kill the threads. But on the other hand I don't think there are a lot of noobs scrambling to get on this board due to the fact they are probably whiny faggots who can't take what's dished out, and a lot of people of old are long gone. As pointed out above people have Facebook where they can be whiny faggots without relentless reprisal. |
| ____________________________________ [May 16,2014 5:10pm - arilliusbm ""] BRING BACK REIMROC |
| ____________________________________ [May 16,2014 5:41pm - MotleyGrue ""] Lamp said:And really, how fucking insulting is it when the only person who actually has the ability to clamp down on this and take a real step to improve the quality ratio on this forum shovels it onto people like us who actually post not anonymously and acts like it's our problem for not posting enough? I call bullshit on this, this is the same tired issue that comes out from time to time, bitching about the trolls. Now lets take a good look at this, who started the trolls, the older board members/the long gone ones, new trolls didn't ruin this or create it, they see how it works, and they adapt or fail trying to. If the elder board members took more responsibility with this issue and stamped out the troll problem we wouldn't be having this discussion. In regards to new members/bands on the board, usually they get shit on pretty good, while I understand the trial by fire, is it really necessary? If they are being fagget, why not help them understand and learn to not post like one so they can contribute more to a board instead of getting run off. Sometimes this board is like an old boys club, you have to have known someone, or be in a scene to be accepted or else you are trolled hard or ignored, more so with the bands, not everybody likes the same style of music, and to be quite honest lots of bands suck, but at least they are doing something and posting about it to only get shit on. Now look really hard at what the Rev just did, he got tired of hearing you bitch about it, he posted about it, and started a discussion, which is what everyone on here is SO hungry for, and posting about, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. There needs to be a set of new rules established by the senior members, and Rev on how this board works, and how to post, like introductions of a new poster so we might get the chance to know a little something about this person, on the grounds that he is not shit on immediately, as well as bands, and new posters/bands need to understand how this forum works/runs so they wont run away like faggets. So to finish my train of thought before I forget(yes I am drinking and tired of typing) this is one of the last frontiers of the wild west let us try to use some fucking discretion even when we are drunk/spiteful/high/trying too hard/being informative, and take back your board one day, one post at a time. And as far as the Shutup Fagget troll, I created that, then let it be community property for the RTTP board to use, only to see some ANON created an account for it, so to that fagget, Your Welcome. |
| __________________________________________ [May 16,2014 5:42pm - largefreakatzero ""] Needs moar dicks and abortions. Seriously, people cry to you about this site? Haha, faggets. |
| __________________________________ [May 16,2014 7:14pm - TimRiley ""] it's definitely a catch 22. i appreciate some of the trolls (even the ones that grill on me) but for fuck sakes, so tired of scott's relentless played-out trolling. i'd say it was funny the first 500 times... except that it wasn't. and i wouldn't necessarily know because even though i was a member of this forum in the 2005-2007 era (i forget my login), since i've returned this year, it's $18 and 10 inch dicks all day. gotta ban that prick somehow!!! |
| _______________________________________ [May 16,2014 7:49pm - WillardScott ""] ZIRCONZZZZZZZZ |
| ______________________________________________________________ [May 16,2014 8:21pm - RTTP DEPT OF BROKEN FUCKING RECORDS ""] THINKS HE'S CONTRIBUTING AND ANYONE GIVES A SHIT *Actually is Tim Riley* |
| __________________________________ [May 16,2014 8:31pm - TimRiley ""] RTTP%20DEPT%20OF%20BROKEN%20FUCKING%20RECORDS said:THINKS HE'S CONTRIBUTING AND ANYONE GIVES A SHIT *Actually is Tim Riley* Good point. |
| __________________________________ [May 16,2014 8:32pm - TimRiley ""] Although if most of you met me in person, you'd see I'm a pretty decent guy. But I digress. |
| __________________________________ [May 16,2014 8:55pm - posbleak ""] [img] |
| __________________________________________ [May 16,2014 9:34pm - largefreakatzero ""] TimRiley said:Although if most of you met me in person, you'd see I'm a pretty decent guy. But I digress. If you're "decent" you definitely don't belong here. |
| ______________________________ [May 16,2014 9:36pm - Lamp ""] Just for the record, I haven't complained about this site to Aaron at all, I don't hold it dear enough to do that and can and have found friends and show information elsewhere, so as a resource, yeah perhaps this site helps somewhat but it isn't the be all end all of knowledge. But come on, in the real world when someone abuses a privilege, they get it taken away. Perhaps it's just a few sour apples doing all of the trolling on this board, but what I could encourage instead is posting some IP addresses and personal information of people who keep up the bullshit incessantly. I am 100% in favor of humiliating and kicking the shit out of people who try to ruin a good thing. So things cannot continue the way they are now, but all of us who actually log in simply posting more often is not going to do a damn thing, if anything all that will do is waste the Rev's bandwidth while the ratio of crap to coherence stays the same. Either anon posting should get shut off or personal info of people who abuse the privilege needs to be posted publicly. There's my answer. |
| ______________________________ [May 16,2014 9:37pm - Lamp ""] And I say all of this as someone who has used anon posting to attempt to create funny before, I don't NEED to troll people and haven't used the anon feature in quite some time. Would gladly give it up for a more coherent resource. |
| ______________________________ [May 16,2014 9:42pm - Lamp ""] Yeti said:But on the other hand I don't think there are a lot of noobs scrambling to get on this board due to the fact they are probably whiny faggots who can't take what's dished out, and a lot of people of old are long gone. See, I also have a problem with this. The status quo on this board (and the majority of message boards for that matter) seems to be that everyone has to be shit on relentlessly before they can be accepted. I say, as long as people are willing to engage in actual discussion, why do they need to be shit on? I see nothing wrong with people offering a different opinion, only the ones who can't back up what they say with any sort of argument when they are challenged. The only people who should be shit on are the ones who lack the capacity for logic and can't carry out a real conversation. Bullying should be used as a method when all else has failed, not as the immediate reaction to anyone with a screen name that isn't recognizable off the bat. |
| ______________________________________________ [May 16,2014 10:27pm - ALL TOGETHER, NOW: ""] shutup_fagget |
| _____________________________________ [May 17,2014 12:59am - MotleyGrue ""] Lamp said: Yeti said:But on the other hand I don't think there are a lot of noobs scrambling to get on this board due to the fact they are probably whiny faggots who can't take what's dished out, and a lot of people of old are long gone. See, I also have a problem with this. The status quo on this board (and the majority of message boards for that matter) seems to be that everyone has to be shit on relentlessly before they can be accepted. I say, as long as people are willing to engage in actual discussion, why do they need to be shit on? I see nothing wrong with people offering a different opinion, only the ones who can't back up what they say with any sort of argument when they are challenged. The only people who should be shit on are the ones who lack the capacity for logic and can't carry out a real conversation. Bullying should be used as a method when all else has failed, not as the immediate reaction to anyone with a screen name that isn't recognizable off the bat. Should be in the New Rules Thread for New Members. I am looking at you Senior Members, do something about it, make a permanent thread, stand your ground you won't. |
| ______________________________ [May 17,2014 1:58am - Lamp ""] Yeah, but we all know there won't be a permanent thread about it. The only person who has any sort of moderator powers around here will just start passive threads exactly like this lashing out at all of us once in a while when in reality what we can do about the ratio of bullshit on this forum is quite limited. |
| ____________________________________ [May 17,2014 2:19am - xgodzillax ""] I rarely post or even read this forum because of all the fucking trolls. RIP rttp /Internet |
| ____________________________________ [May 17,2014 3:04am - arilliusbm ""] What is a 'senior member'? It shouldn't matter when people joined this board. Also, trolling is a necessary medium on this forum, and always has been. I can't get down with the personal shots at people and/or when family is brought into the equation... but there are still hilarious trolls. The apex of this forum was 2006-2010. Trolls existed back then. There were just more people actively posting. As I recall, most people enjoyed watching people get made fun of here. I had spent way too many of my working hours wasting time on this board. There's nothing much else to offer. What, are we going to hand the board down to the younger generations? The ones that grew up with Myspace and Facebook? That's the real reason why this message board is down. People have matured and moved on with their lives. The younger kids get most of their fill on Facebook or some other stupid social networking site. Yes, the shit talking trolls and personal attack trolls dissuade people from coming here, but there is no solution to stopping how people behave logged in or not. Every message board on the internet has always had a troll in some form or another. This forum is the wild wild west. It's an open frontier that is full of dangers. But every now and then people stumble across gold. I wish I could offer some sort of help in bringing this board back to what it used to be, but that will ultimately result in nothing... and quite frankly, what would be the point? Also, bennyhillifier |
| ____________________________________ [May 17,2014 3:08am - arilliusbm ""] Lamp said:personal info of people who abuse the privilege needs to be posted publicly. There's my answer. Cool lawsuit waiting to halpen, bro. |
| ____________________________________ [May 17,2014 3:13am - arilliusbm ""] Also, MotleyGrue.. I'm sorry. I don't believe you that you were the first shutup fagget. |
| ____________________________________ [May 17,2014 3:48am - Alx_Casket ""] arilliusbm said:Also, MotleyGrue.. I'm sorry. I don't believe you that you were the first shutup fagget. [img] |
| ________________________________________ [May 17,2014 7:44am - shutup fagget ""] MotleyGrue said: Lamp said:And really, how fucking insulting is it when the only person who actually has the ability to clamp down on this and take a real step to improve the quality ratio on this forum shovels it onto people like us who actually post not anonymously and acts like it's our problem for not posting enough? I call bullshit on this, this is the same tired issue that comes out from time to time, bitching about the trolls. Now lets take a good look at this, who started the trolls, the older board members/the long gone ones, new trolls didn't ruin this or create it, they see how it works, and they adapt or fail trying to. If the elder board members took more responsibility with this issue and stamped out the troll problem we wouldn't be having this discussion. In regards to new members/bands on the board, usually they get shit on pretty good, while I understand the trial by fire, is it really necessary? If they are being fagget, why not help them understand and learn to not post like one so they can contribute more to a board instead of getting run off. Sometimes this board is like an old boys club, you have to have known someone, or be in a scene to be accepted or else you are trolled hard or ignored, more so with the bands, not everybody likes the same style of music, and to be quite honest lots of bands suck, but at least they are doing something and posting about it to only get shit on. Now look really hard at what the Rev just did, he got tired of hearing you bitch about it, he posted about it, and started a discussion, which is what everyone on here is SO hungry for, and posting about, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. There needs to be a set of new rules established by the senior members, and Rev on how this board works, and how to post, like introductions of a new poster so we might get the chance to know a little something about this person, on the grounds that he is not shit on immediately, as well as bands, and new posters/bands need to understand how this forum works/runs so they wont run away like faggets. So to finish my train of thought before I forget(yes I am drinking and tired of typing) this is one of the last frontiers of the wild west let us try to use some fucking discretion even when we are drunk/spiteful/high/trying too hard/being informative, and take back your board one day, one post at a time. And as far as the Shutup Fagget troll, I created that, then let it be community property for the RTTP board to use, only to see some ANON created an account for it, so to that fagget, Your Welcome. shutup fagget |
| _________________________________ [May 17,2014 10:51am - Mark_R ""] Most of the anons and a lot of the trolling aren't a huge problem. As pointed out up there, it's the neverending $18 and Thunderstool posts that are so far past being funny and are just irritating. The way people can see a marked improvement just by cutting soda out of their diet without changing anything else, this board would immediately be in much better shape just by (somehow) getting rid of those two, even with all other anons remaining. |
| _____________________________________ [May 17,2014 11:01am - MotleyGrue ""] arilliusbm said:Also, MotleyGrue.. I'm sorry. I don't believe you that you were the first shutup fagget. It's cool, and I was, I don't remember the thread I started posting it in, and someone could have been you or another logged in poster was trying to correct my grammar with the way I spelled it. Honestly didn't think it would be a successful troll, and I know lots of others used it. Like I said it's cool if you or others don't believe me that's ok, but the shutup fagget has brought lots of lol's to the board. |
| ________________________________ [May 17,2014 12:25pm - BenFo ""] Internuts |
| _________________________________________ [May 17,2014 12:34pm - shutup fagget ""] MotleyGrue said: arilliusbm said:Also, MotleyGrue.. I'm sorry. I don't believe you that you were the first shutup fagget. It's cool, and I was, I don't remember the thread I started posting it in, and someone could have been you or another logged in poster was trying to correct my grammar with the way I spelled it. Honestly didn't think it would be a successful troll, and I know lots of others used it. Like I said it's cool if you or others don't believe me that's ok, but the shutup fagget has brought lots of lol's to the board. shutup fagget |
| ______________________________________ [May 17,2014 5:49pm - The_reverend ""] The funny thing is the people who post also are know all the troll jokes and will tell me things that happened that day in the board in trolling |
| _________________________________________ [May 17,2014 6:52pm - troll observer ""] Mark_R said:Most of the anons and a lot of the trolling aren't a huge problem. As pointed out up there, it's the neverending $18 and Thunderstool posts that are so far past being funny and are just irritating. The way people can see a marked improvement just by cutting soda out of their diet without changing anything else, this board would immediately be in much better shape just by (somehow) getting rid of those two, even with all other anons remaining. You mean Scott Wily. |
| ___________________________________________ [May 18,2014 10:49am - Divaldo-Gustavo ""] Onlee wit a logon sistim can we prevant trolls playin gaymes |
| ______________________________ [May 18,2014 1:04pm - Lamp ""] Trolls that make accounts are about a hundred times likelier to be funny. |
| ________________________________ [May 18,2014 2:14pm - Burnsy ""] Like the poster directly before you? |
| ______________________________ [May 18,2014 6:07pm - Lamp ""] You understand context. |
| _______________________________________________________ [May 19,2014 8:07am - DYA is DUAL BISMUTH YAW GATE ""] Divaldo-Gustavo said:Onlee wit a logon sistim can we prevant trolls playin gaymes QFT |
| ______________________________________ [May 19,2014 3:46pm - TRUCK BALLS ""] [img] Long live the Peepee-less Prius! |
| ______________________________________ [May 19,2014 4:38pm - the_reverend ""] I never had a prius |
| ________________________________ [May 19,2014 6:25pm - xmikex ""] Divaldo-Gustavo said:Onlee wit a logon sistim can we prevant trolls playin gaymes We have a login system. It's flawless. It's just option and flawless. BUT IT'S STILL FLAWLESS. |
| ________________________________ [May 20,2014 10:43am - Pires ""] xgodzillax said:I rarely post or even read this forum because of all the fucking trolls. RIP rttp /Internet agreed. that and pretty much everyone from '06-'11 (est.) is gone. No more MSD posts? What's up with that? |
| _______________________________________________________ [May 20,2014 5:39pm - DYA is DUAL BISMUTH YAW GATE ""] I propose we solve two problems at once and make the members of Jocks Blood moderators. |
| ________________________________ [May 20,2014 6:05pm - xmikex ""] Introducing the new LDAP security feature in the form of a big chunk of wood. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 9,2014 3:30pm - Brian Peppers ""] Stuffed fagettes |
| _______________________________ [Sep 9,2014 3:56pm - robing ""] AMMONIA BOOKING IS BACK YOU FAGS LI FTW |
| ___________________________________________ [Sep 9,2014 3:59pm - Blake Judd Nelson ""] RTTP%20DEPT%20OF%20BROKEN%20FUCKING%20RECORDS said:NO ONE TALKS ABOUT MUSIC ANYMORE AND WHENEVER SOMEONE DOES THEY GET MADE FUN OF *Goes on Facebook and posts videos of awful bands. Confuses liking every single band with having diverse taste in music.* ALL ANYONE EVER POSTS ARE STUPID IMMATURE JOKES *Realizes they've grown up to be a boring fagget with no sense of humor* THE ONLY ONES THAT POST ARE ANONYMOUS TROLLS!! IT'S SO ANNOYING!! *Logs out as soon as they see something they don't like to talk shit NLI. Pretends they never do.* ANONYMOUS TROLLS ARE RUINING THE SCENE *Listens to metal because they grew up without friends. Still has no friends because is fagget.* WHAT DO I CARE WHAT RTTP THINKS? YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF RACIST/SEXIST ASSHOLES *Goes on Facebook to push their own politics and views on everyone. Fagget friends don't give a shit but refuse to "Shutup Fagget" b/c they realize it's the best and most effective catch phrase ever and won't admit RTTP was right all along* YOU TROLLS CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT. YOUR IMMATURE BULLSHIT WON'T STOP ME/MY BAND/MY PROMOTION COMPANY *Deletes facebook/Gets kicked off show/Breaks up band/deletes everyone associated with RTTP from facebook/still gets trolled* This and Robin is a fagget who got beat up by his ex girlfriend. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 9,2014 6:34pm - CJ Peeper ""] fags |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 7,2014 10:05am - slambone ""] bump |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 7,2014 10:36am - the_reverend ""] This is still an issue. |
| _______________________________ [Oct 7,2014 10:59am - THIS ""] troll%20observer said: Mark_R said:Most of the anons and a lot of the trolling aren't a huge problem. As pointed out up there, it's the neverending $18 and Thunderstool posts that are so far past being funny and are just irritating. The way people can see a marked improvement just by cutting soda out of their diet without changing anything else, this board would immediately be in much better shape just by (somehow) getting rid of those two, even with all other anons remaining. You mean Scott Wily. THIS caused a mass exodus of regular posters. |
| _________________________________ [Oct 7,2014 11:43am - Jeff V ""] I'm here for you RTTP. [img] |
| _________________________________ [Oct 7,2014 11:44am - Jeff V ""] i accidentally it http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VwFjnLVDEMw/TuUj.../XkFtuQyzaDI/s1600/intervention.jpg |
| _______________________________ [Oct 7,2014 11:52am - INB4 ""] THIS said: troll%20observer said: Mark_R said:Most of the anons and a lot of the trolling aren't a huge problem. As pointed out up there, it's the neverending $18 and Thunderstool posts that are so far past being funny and are just irritating. The way people can see a marked improvement just by cutting soda out of their diet without changing anything else, this board would immediately be in much better shape just by (somehow) getting rid of those two, even with all other anons remaining. You mean Scott Wily. THIS caused a mass exodus of regular posters. INB4 a certain female posts in this thread and tries to make it about her. |
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| _________________________________________ [Oct 7,2014 12:23pm - the real truth ""] I saw some spandex in that cunt's bed... |
| ______________________________________________ [Oct 7,2014 12:35pm - the real real truth ""] the%20real%20truth said:I saw some spandex in that cunt's bed... Oh hi scott [img] |
| ___________________________________________________________________ [Oct 7,2014 1:11pm - RTTP DEPARTMENT OF NEWBIE TROLL RELATIONS ""] OUR ADVANCED ALGORITHMS HAVE DETECTED A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF N00BS. WE HAVE DETECTED DANGEROUSLY LOW LEVELS OF SENIOR BOARD MEMBERS. THESE LEVELS HAVE REACHED CRITICAL STATUS. PLEASE STAND BY FOR SELF DESTRUCT SEQUENCE 654684892848094890. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 7,2014 2:22pm - suggestion ""] Get rid of the recent searches field. Death threats every day. All Wily all the time. |
| ____________________________________________ [Oct 8,2014 11:10am - BETTER Suggestion ""] Stop talking about kicking Wily's ass and just go do it. Put a purse under a net and wait for him to pounce. MT Chris is the biggest pussy of all time (HAHAHAHA!!) |
| _________________________________________ [Oct 8,2014 11:22am - George W. Bush ""] BETTER%20Suggestion said:Stop talking about kicking Wily's ass and just go do it. Wily hides like Osama Bin Laden. Smoke him out of his snake hole! |