fucking drug tests...arghh!!![views:7209][posts:105]____________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 4:16pm - HailTheLeaf ""] So I've been looking for a new job for about 3 months now, and I've gotten ONE INTERVIEW so far, which has been just a tad frustrating. Seems somehow CVS got ahold of my resume', someone passed it onto them I guess. They've called me twice over the 2 months, first time went well, they offered me $12/hour to sit and answer technical support phone calls...which I figured I could stand for a few months. I asked if it was possible to get Tuesdays off (band practice), and they didn't call back for a month. 2nd call they left a message, I called back...no response until today. They call, say I can get Tuesdays off, and everything sounds all good...I'm all excited, maybe I'll be able to pay my rent now...but no, she mentions there's a pre-employment drug test. WTF? There goes that job. It's not that I don't think I'd pass a drug test, nothing to do with that, (I passed down a job like this 5-6 years ago when I only smoked pot once every 3 months), it's that a drug test is fucking invading my privacy and spitting in the face of my consitutional rights. Sorry people, but CVS has no right whatsoever to know what anyone does in their spare time. I'm not peeing in a cup for any corporation. CVS has no right to know what's in my body, and the fact that they'd want to know speaks volumes of how much they must trust their employees. Alcoholism and lack of sleep account for majority of workplace production loss and accidents...and neither of those show up in a piss test. You could do a line of coke before you go to work, take a drug test a few hours later and come out clean, and don't even get me going on the rate of false positives. Fuck any company that uses drug testing. FOURTH AMENDMENT [U.S. Constitution] - 'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.' So now I'm getting e-mails from Bank Of America offering a teller position...I suck at math..this will be fun.. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 9,2006 4:21pm - Nate ""] when I moved down here to TN I had a hard time finding a job because of drug tests. My wife told me a trick she used to use, and this involved not having to go out and buy golden seal or any of that other money wasting shit. Apply for the job and when they set up the time for the drug test, 2-3 hours before start drinking a gallon of water. Make sure the whole gallon is gone by the time you need to leave for the test. I did it and by the time I went into the clinic to take the test I was pissing out pure water and they never found anything in my system. I had smoked two bowls the night before the test and had been smoking everry day before that. So, drink a gallon of water like I said and by the time you piss it'll be nothing but water. It fuckin works!!! I had to test for FedEx/ Kinkos and I know they tested it good. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 4:23pm - anonymous ""] Bank Of America doesnt do drug testing? And yes, asking for your piss may invade your rights, but the company has the right to ask for it. Good for you for not going through it though; at least you stand for something (unlike 99% of the population). |
| _____________________________ [Jan 9,2006 4:25pm - Nate ""] and I don't think it has anything to do with "invasion of privacy". Think about this, would you want a crackhead or heroin shooting junky to work for you if you owned a business? Pot is no big deal in most people's eyes, but crackheads and dopeheads are pretty well known to lie, steal, cheat, etc. I wouldn't want them working for me either, and if I owned a business I sure as would drug test people just for that reason alone. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 4:27pm - BornSoVile ""] what Nate said about the water. did you also know that if you have over 8 glasses of water you can literally be drunk off of it. I learned that is class this past semester. I guess some parents actually killed their daughter, making her drink over 30 glasses of water as some punishment. how's the grass down in TN Nate? |
| _____________________________ [Jan 9,2006 4:29pm - Nate ""] it's damned good Josh. Most people around here don't smoke schwag so it's all hydro. The first bag we got when we came down I tore open a bud and little tiny crystals were inside, almost looked like the buds were full of a coke like substance. You barely need to smoke a whole joint and you get pretty baked. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 9,2006 4:31pm - Nate ""] I haven't laughed this hard from weed since I was a teenager, so yeah for the most part it's pretty good. We got a new connection and I'm gonna see what he's got tonight. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 4:40pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] you know what, i took a pee test for best buy and got ten bucks to start doing warehouse.....and can pay my bills and pay shit i want. get a job you lazy hippie !!!! |
| _______________________________ [Jan 9,2006 4:52pm - Maery ""] ^^ Do you get any kind of discount? ;) |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 4:56pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] Maery said:^^ Do you get any kind of discount? ;) yes, yes i do.......and you go to my store as well as brad, ha ! |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 4:58pm - HailTheLeaf ""] anonymous said:Bank Of America doesnt do drug testing? And yes, asking for your piss may invade your rights, but the company has the right to ask for it. Good for you for not going through it though; at least you stand for something (unlike 99% of the population). Donno, I figured they might, but it doesn't have that "drug free workplace" crap on their website...Bank Of America makes me nauseous anyways...they're pure evil. The pre-employment drug test..it's like you're guilty until proven otherwise...and it's none of their business to begin with, what's next? if I work there I have to have cameras intstalled in my house so they can monitor what I do at home?. fuck that. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 9,2006 5:00pm - Maery ""] WWW: What kind of discount?.. heh |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 5:04pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] Maery said:WWW: What kind of discount?.. heh it varies, like i told the rev it's not like a set in stone discount for every item. it's different for everything. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 9,2006 5:04pm - Maery ""] Goddamn it. Just answer the question? Is it like a percentage? Tell me!?!??!!?! *cough* |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 5:04pm - HailTheLeaf ""] Nate said:and I don't think it has anything to do with "invasion of privacy". Think about this, would you want a crackhead or heroin shooting junky to work for you if you owned a business? Pot is no big deal in most people's eyes, but crackheads and dopeheads are pretty well known to lie, steal, cheat, etc. I wouldn't want them working for me either, and if I owned a business I sure as would drug test people just for that reason alone. If a crackhead or heroin addict goes to an interview, and no one at the company can tell that they are a crackhead, then that's the company's problem. I think I'd be able to figure that out and avoid hiring those people. But to degrade and invade the privacy of the other 98% of applicants is retarded. “If we choose to violate the rights of the innocent in order to discover and act against the guilty, then we have transformed our country into a police state and abandoned one of the fundamental tenants of a free society. In order to win the war on drugs, we must not sacrifice the life of the Constitution in the battle.” ~US District Judge H. Lee Sarokin~ |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 5:07pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] Maery said:Goddamn it. Just answer the question? Is it like a percentage? Tell me!?!??!!?! *cough* i have a multipass |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 5:08pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] HailTheLeaf said:But to degrade and invade the privacy of the other 98% of applicants is retarded. you can thank the reagan area republicans for passing the bill to give coporate america tax breaks for pee testing their employees. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 5:19pm - ArrowHead nli ""] Nate said:and I don't think it has anything to do with "invasion of privacy". Think about this, would you want a crackhead or heroin shooting junky to work for you if you owned a business? Pot is no big deal in most people's eyes, but crackheads and dopeheads are pretty well known to lie, steal, cheat, etc. I wouldn't want them working for me either, and if I owned a business I sure as would drug test people just for that reason alone. Funny point, since crack cocaine and heroin are less likely to get picked up by urine screening. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 5:28pm - HailTheLeaf ""] http://www.nontesterslist.com/nontesters/ companies that do and don't drug test... |
| _____________________________ [Jan 9,2006 5:29pm - Nate ""] ArrowHead nli said:Nate said:and I don't think it has anything to do with "invasion of privacy". Think about this, would you want a crackhead or heroin shooting junky to work for you if you owned a business? Pot is no big deal in most people's eyes, but crackheads and dopeheads are pretty well known to lie, steal, cheat, etc. I wouldn't want them working for me either, and if I owned a business I sure as would drug test people just for that reason alone. Funny point, since crack cocaine and heroin are less likely to get picked up by urine screening. it was just an example. And if someone were a crackhead/ dopehead that would mean they would use quite a bit, more than likely it would show on a test. They screen alot down here in the south because there is a major meth problem in Knoxville so they want to make sure those idiots don't get a job so they can fuck with the company. Hailtheleaf - No dig at you man but there is no conspiracy to put cameras in your home so CVS can watch whether you smoke a joint or not. Get a job, I hear that most dishwashers don't have to take drug tests.:thescream: |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 5:30pm - HailTheLeaf ""] BornSoVile said:what Nate said about the water. did you also know that if you have over 8 glasses of water you can literally be drunk off of it. I learned that is class this past semester. I guess some parents actually killed their daughter, making her drink over 30 glasses of water as some punishment. see? water killed someone, they better start testing people for water now, it's dangerous!!! |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 5:31pm - DomesticTerror ""] i could understand your argument more if your current company suddenly began drug testing, but as far as a screening for employment, i don't see the problem. every interview that i've had, if they screen, they tell me in advance. then i simply choose whether or not i want to work there. i do agree that it makes no sense at all why they would screen for THC, but not harder drugs. (seeing how it's CVS, maybe painkillers would be a good idea!) and why don't hospitals screen their doctors and nurses for bloodbourne pathogens? now, that would make sense... |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 5:45pm - ArrowHead nli ""] Nate said: it was just an example. And if someone were a crackhead/ dopehead that would mean they would use quite a bit, more than likely it would show on a test. They screen alot down here in the south because there is a major meth problem in Knoxville so they want to make sure those idiots don't get a job so they can fuck with the company. Actually, the only way cocaine (or crack) will show up on a pee test is if you were fucking a big pile of coke right before taking the test. This is why I personally wash my dick whenever I have to pee in a cup. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 9,2006 5:45pm - Nate ""] good thinking... |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 5:49pm - ArrowHead nli ""] DomesticTerror said: i do agree that it makes no sense at all why they would screen for THC, but not harder drugs. (seeing how it's CVS, maybe painkillers would be a good idea!) Makes perfect sense. Pot is the easiest, cheapest, and legally most justifiable drug to test for. A folicle test can be 200% more expensive, and since usage from years past can be detected it's more easily challenged in court. Federal agencies, like the FBI, do folicle tests and will not hire anyone who has done ANY illegal drugs within the past 15 years. As for why they test for THC at all, that's pretty sensible too. You're in a pharmacy. Someone who tests positive for recreational drug use is a lot more likely to steal prescription meds than someone who does not. Same reason it's a bad idea to hire a fat chick to guard a box of donuts. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 5:49pm - HailTheLeaf ""] To Whom It May Concern, I was recently contacted by your company for possible employment as a technical service representative in Woonsocket, RI. I'm very interested in this position, but was troubled by the company's position on pre-employment drug testing. I feel this is a violation of privacy, not to mention the 4th amendment, It doesn't really portray a trusting releationship between employer and employee, more of a 'guilty until proven otherwise' feel. Ten years of research has shown that drug tests do not pay dividends in decreased accidents and absenteeism or increased efficiency and productivity. Alcoholism and lack of sleep cause the majority of workplace accidents and loss of productivity, yet neither of these show up in drug tests. There are alternatives that don't invade employees rights and privacy, Hand-eye coordination testing, and Eye/retina scan. Performance testing is a daily skills test which tests the reflexes and performance ability of your employees for today and today only. Unlike drug testing, Performance testing IS Constitutionally friendly and does NOT differentiate between the legal or illegal drug user, the alcoholic, the stressed, the sick, or the tired and fatigued. Performance testing catches those high risk employees no matter what their private life styles are. If you ever decide to rethink your policy, I'd love to discuss employment options. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 5:52pm - ArrowHead nli ""] It's a pharmacy dude, I'm pretty sure the testing is federally, or at least state, required. Same thing for transportation jobs, so give up the idea of driving a cab or getting a trucking license. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 9,2006 5:59pm - Nate ""] with a letter like that you can kiss that job goodbye. there are plenty of other people that'll take the job and they'll probaby have the position filled the moment they read your letter. Rather than pissing and moaning about stuff and standing up for your rights by not taking a job because of drug testing, bite the bullet and get a fucking job. 3 months to get a job is ridiculous. My father once said to me "if you can't get the job you're looking for right away, get anything you can to hold you over so you at least have money coming in, than worry about the better job." This made perfect sense to me and I am currently working a job, which I had to drug test for, until I get the job I really want to do that goes along with the career I have chosen. So get a job. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:02pm - ArrowHead nli ""] Even though I'm arguing so much, I actually have the same stance as you. I've been trying to find a new job for a long time now, and every time I find something I would like, I find out they drug test. I don't some high moral reason for not taking a job where I'm tested, I just have no desire to pass one. I don't bring it to work. I don't do it at work. I don't show up for work stoned. No matter what job I've had, I've always been one of the best, most productive employees there. I think it's rediculous that I couldn't get hired to stock shelves at wal-mart. I go there at night. I watch some retard spend over an hour stocking a freezer aisle half the size of ones I've done at my old job in 15 minutes. That's sad. Drug testing is biased profiling of potential employees in order to help control shrink and liability. It's bullshit. I'd only agree with it if there was a way to test ONLY for the duration the employee is working for. Frankly, good management and peer employees can usually spot problem behavior at work long before the employees next drug test is due. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:09pm - ArrowHead nli ""] Nate said:with a letter like that you can kiss that job goodbye. there are plenty of other people that'll take the job and they'll probaby have the position filled the moment they read your letter. Rather than pissing and moaning about stuff and standing up for your rights by not taking a job because of drug testing, bite the bullet and get a fucking job. 3 months to get a job is ridiculous. My father once said to me "if you can't get the job you're looking for right away, get anything you can to hold you over so you at least have money coming in, than worry about the better job." This made perfect sense to me and I am currently working a job, which I had to drug test for, until I get the job I really want to do that goes along with the career I have chosen. So get a job. AMEN! I tell my employees and friends that EXACT same thing all the time. Our fathers seem to have told us the same thing. I had a kid say he wanted to walk out and quit. I told him he was retarded. Why would anyone willingly go unemployeed? If you have a means of income, hold onto it. If it's not enough or you don't like it, supplement it or find another job FIRST. I got fired from a security job I used to work. I got a blowjob in my car, and the property manager saw it. I went out the next morning to a temp agency, and got a shitty low paying job packing boxes that day. I kept working the temp assignment while I scheduled real interviews. It didn't pay my bills, but I can't imagine how much more things would have sucked if I didn't even have that few hundred a week coming in. Seriously, when I see people say they have no job, and I see a NOW HIRING sign in every McDonalds I walk past, I get queasy. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:10pm - HailTheLeaf ""] Nate said:with a letter like that you can kiss that job goodbye. there are plenty of other people that'll take the job and they'll probaby have the position filled the moment they read your letter. Rather than pissing and moaning about stuff and standing up for your rights by not taking a job because of drug testing, bite the bullet and get a fucking job. 3 months to get a job is ridiculous. My father once said to me "if you can't get the job you're looking for right away, get anything you can to hold you over so you at least have money coming in, than worry about the better job." This made perfect sense to me and I am currently working a job, which I had to drug test for, until I get the job I really want to do that goes along with the career I have chosen. So get a job. Hey dude, you can sell out all you want, I'm not pissing in a cup for anyone but my doctor. I'm not giving up my rights for any job. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:10pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] whiskey_weed_and_women said: get a job you lazy hippie !!!! |
| _____________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:14pm - Nate ""] HailTheLeaf said: Hey dude, you can sell out all you want, I'm not pissing in a cup for anyone but my doctor. I'm not giving up my rights for any job. You're totally right man, I sold out. I pissed in a cup to get a job so my family wouldn't starve, so we would have a roof over our heads and a bed to sleep in. You are right though, I sold out... :shocked: Get a job! |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:16pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] haha nate, you are my hero today |
| _____________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:21pm - Nate ""] heh I just go crazy when I hear people bitching about something as simple as getting a job. I've worked at Burger King just so I could have a job. I held onto that job until the one I was looking for became available. That being said I went from flipping burgers to making $35,000 in the first year of management at a new job. It's not hard, it just takes a couple minutes to run down to the local fast food joint and put pride aside instead of going on a message board and talking about "rights" instead of getting a job. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:22pm - KeithMutiny ""] way too much too read here. summary? |
| _____________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:25pm - Nate ""] HailTheLeaf: Been looking for a job for 3 months. She was offered a job, said she wouldn't take it cause they wanted her to piss in a cup. She sent them an e-mail saying she wouldn't consider the job because it was infringing on her 4th amendment right. Other people replying to the thread: Are telling HailTheLeaf to get a job. edit: had to go back and change all the he's to she's, didn't know you were a girl HailTheLeaf. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:26pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] Nate said:heh I just go crazy when I hear people bitching about something as simple as getting a job. I've worked at Burger King just so I could have a job. I held onto that job until the one I was looking for became available. That being said I went from flipping burgers to making $35,000 in the first year of management at a new job. It's not hard, it just takes a couple minutes to run down to the local fast food joint and put pride aside instead of going on a message board and talking about "rights" instead of getting a job. naw dood i totally understand, as long as ive known hail the leaf she's never had a real job. i just find it funny seeing other people telling her to get off her ass take a pee test and get a job. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:27pm - Nate ""] plus, I'm bored after WORKING all day so I thought I'd reply to this fun topic. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:30pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] ive had the last three days off, im actually looking forward to work tomorrow. sitting here makes me think about how much money im losing by not being at work. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:37pm - Nate ""] I hear ya there. I actually have had the past two days off from my full time job but have been doing some web design work for a local architect to make extra money. So even though it was a day off I worked for about 7 hours on the guys website. I only took sunday completely off cause my wife had the day off to. But it's back to the daily grind tomorrow. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:38pm - ArrowHead nli ""] HailTheLeaf said: Hey dude, you can sell out all you want, I'm not pissing in a cup for anyone but my doctor. I'm not giving up my rights for any job. He's not talking about selling out. If you can't find a job at ALL in 3 months in New England, then the problem is YOU, and anything else is excuses. Get a job and support yourself. Don't you feel bad when you aren't even carrying your own weight? |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:40pm - ArrowHead nli ""] By the way, stop with the rights crap. The constitution isn't applicable, there's no charges being made against you. You're just pissed a pharmacy won't hire your hippy ass. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:42pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] seriously though would you hire this person....... [img] |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:44pm - HailTheLeaf ""] whiskey_weed_and_women said: naw dood i totally understand, as long as ive known hail the leaf she's never had a real job. i just find it funny seeing other people telling her to get off her ass take a pee test and get a job. I've had plenty of real jobs, I made microphones muthafucka, then blew crap out of computers for 3 years..and I never had to bend over... |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:45pm - anonymous ""] you guys are all knuckleheads |
| _____________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:45pm - Nate ""] noone's telling you to bend over, just to get a job. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:48pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] HailTheLeaf said:whiskey_weed_and_women said: naw dood i totally understand, as long as ive known hail the leaf she's never had a real job. i just find it funny seeing other people telling her to get off her ass take a pee test and get a job. I've had plenty of real jobs, I made microphones muthafucka, then blew crap out of computers for 3 years..and I never had to bend over... since ive known you, you held the microphone job for what a week or two but they let you go cause the company folded, and the computer thing i dont know what you're talking about. i dont think peeing in a cup for a job is bending over, esp when i can buy my rent and feed myself. if i was asked to take one monthly or daily then itd be different |
| _________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:51pm - Dankill ""] One thing people are forgeting. The 4th amendment in terms of private businesses is gray. See, the founding fathers wrote that to prevent abuse by the goverment. They didn't write that in terms of private citizens because, back then, there was no authority by a citizen to perform any sort of search or seizures. Drug tests are by choice mostly by the company itself, as part of free enterprise. You have a choice of not taking it. You just will not get the job. This is just as much free enterprise, by private citizens, as a company not having a drug testing policy. Now, if the goverment made a law forcing any kind of employer to give their employees drug tests, then you'd have a case not only for 4th amendment, but goverment over-regulation of private business. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 9,2006 6:53pm - HailTheLeaf ""] ArrowHead nli said:By the way, stop with the rights crap. The constitution isn't applicable, there's no charges being made against you. You're just pissed a pharmacy won't hire your hippy ass. Hey, you can let your employer walk all over you, that's fine, go ahead maybe they'll implant chips in you next. fucking sheep. |