Metal Elitism[views:21764][posts:116]____________________________________ [Apr 13,2011 6:11pm - arilliusbm ""] Agreed with both Conservationist and also with Blue. Although I must say that there are a buttload of horrible bands today. More than olden days because there's just so many bands now. |
| ___________________________________________ [Apr 13,2011 6:14pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] they are trying too hard to be unique and not trying hard enough to be good. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 13,2011 6:42pm - goatcatalyst ""] I listen to Robin Trower and that makes me better than everyone |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 13,2011 7:01pm - narkybark ""] There's nothing wrong with trying to be unique. We wouldn't have metal like we have today without people trying to be unique. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 13,2011 7:06pm - Lamp ""] If you're any good, being unique comes naturally. You shouldn't have to "try" to do it. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 13,2011 7:54pm - dreadkill ""] I get inspired by newer bands, and newer albums by older bands. While there are way more shitty bands to sift through nowadays, the benefit to there being a ridiculous amount of bands in existence is there are a lot of good ones so there's always good new music to look forward to. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 13,2011 7:55pm - dreadkill ""] It's hard for me to keep up with all the good metal coming out. At this point there Are more people in bands than not. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 13,2011 8:14pm - Seth ""] For me and hopefully many others, elitist in NE is one who puts down fellow metal heads, bands or music to say this or that is better. I have always said to people that band sucks, because they don't do anything for me and not that they don't have talent, but not my taste. For example, people liked Slayers 90's albums and I still a life long fan, but not that shit. I am not a elitist by any means! I have heard a lot of metal and probably not heard it all! To me the metal scene should be people who have one common thread, metal music and don't have to like the same bands to be metal or have the knowledge(shows/albums,this or that, EPs etc...) experience you do or heard so many bands! It is to me if you can be friends and chat about metal or music in general. Same thing when in bands, I dont play with guys/gals that have the same taste always, but play with musicians that play/write/sing good music i want to play to. Elitist is just bull shit to me, I, myself am not better then anyone in regards to metal, there is always a cool person, band, sound or show that we all will never experience or will get to hear and if we did. That is all the matters! |
| ________________________________ [Apr 13,2011 10:29pm - Eddie ""] Seth said:For me and hopefully many others, elitist in NE is one who puts down fellow metal heads, bands or music to say this or that is better. I have always said to people that band sucks, because they don't do anything for me and not that they don't have talent, but not my taste. For example, people liked Slayers 90's albums and I still a life long fan, but not that shit. I am not a elitist by any means! I have heard a lot of metal and probably not heard it all! To me the metal scene should be people who have one common thread, metal music and don't have to like the same bands to be metal or have the knowledge(shows/albums,this or that, EPs etc...) experience you do or heard so many bands! It is to me if you can be friends and chat about metal or music in general. Same thing when in bands, I dont play with guys/gals that have the same taste always, but play with musicians that play/write/sing good music i want to play to. Elitist is just bull shit to me, I, myself am not better then anyone in regards to metal, there is always a cool person, band, sound or show that we all will never experience or will get to hear and if we did. That is all the matters! I diagree. All I can think of right now is that Pantera super fan, who the only other metal bands they can name off is black label society and metallica. Now i don't think i'm better than this person, that would be silly, its just music. However i still want them to die. |
| ________________________________ [Apr 13,2011 10:36pm - Eddie ""] this thread also misses the point that there are casual metal fans out there. They enjoy it, have a surface knowlege of it, but aren't in it all for social reasons. They like the music but don't care enough to go that deep. This thread is stupid, because it's based on social structure, not music. The idea of a "metalhead" is social, its not just somebody how likes metal alot. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 13,2011 10:59pm - TheRidersofDoom ""] old news |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 13,2011 11:01pm - arilliusbm ""] Eddie said:this thread also misses the point that there are casual metal fans out there. They enjoy it, have a surface knowlege of it, but aren't in it all for social reasons. They like the music but don't care enough to go that deep. This thread is stupid, because it's based on social structure, not music. The idea of a "metalhead" is social, its not just somebody how likes metal alot. But alas, that is the point of the thread. I don't care what anyone says, metal has always had an inner "social" structure, as with any subculture. If anything, I should have made it clear in this thread it should be about music rather than social structure. Fans of music don't need to be part of a social clique.. yet, metal has always had ones inside of it. I'm interested in hearing what NEH has to say about this, but then again, who really cares? |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 13,2011 11:28pm - Alx_Casket ""] Typical aril post begins with positing a theory and then denouncing it before anyone else can. YOU WIN, YOU ALWAYS DO. |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 13,2011 11:42pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 13,2011 11:51pm - arilliusbm ""] Alx_Casket said:Typical aril post begins with positing a theory and then denouncing it before anyone else can. YOU WIN, YOU ALWAYS DO. I denounced it in the initial post. Look harder |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 13,2011 11:52pm - Alx_Casket ""] I know, that's what I'm saying. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 13,2011 11:56pm - arilliusbm ""] I only made this to spark a discussion on this lame-ass board. Could care less what anyone really thinks about my arilliusbm posts at this point; I think i've made a mockery of my own self on this site over the past few years. REAL LIFE CONVERSATIONS OR GTFO INTERNET |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 13,2011 11:59pm - Alx_Casket ""] Last time I tried having a conversation with you IRL, you told me my thread was racist... |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 12:05am - arilliusbm ""] that was a strange way of saying "hey dude, i got to go grab something to eat. hope you enjoyed the agalloch show, catch me another time." |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 12:14am - Randy_Marsh ""] I listen to metal for the quality, rawness, creativeness, aggression and meaning of it. that is all. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 12:16am - Alx_Casket ""] burnsy said:ITT: Answers to questions are mere enigmas. [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 12:26am - arilliusbm ""] Randy_Marsh said:I listen to metal for the rawness. AND YOU DIDNT LIKE ILDJARN'S STRENGTH & ANGER? YOUR ARRESTED |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 12:32am - Randy_Marsh ""] i probably should have been more specific about what i mean by rawness, not necessarily a style but a way it comes out naturally..like when i am writing riffs. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 12:36am - Randy_Marsh ""] the rawness that is created by hate and aggression, not so much raw production. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 12:39am - nekronaut ""] bennyhillifier |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 12:42am - Randy_Marsh ""] nekronaut said: bennyhillifier the cat on the helicopter part was very hypnotic to me. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 12:52am - conservationist ""] arilliusbm said:I don't care what anyone says, metal has always had an inner "social" structure, as with any subculture. Absolutely. All genres have a hierarchy. Not just of people, but ideas. Metal does it through t-shirts. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 1:00am - Randy_Marsh ""] conservationist said: arilliusbm said:I don't care what anyone says, metal has always had an inner "social" structure, as with any subculture. Absolutely. All genres have a hierarchy. Not just of people, but ideas. Metal does it through t-shirts.:point: |
| ______________________________ [Apr 14,2011 1:21am - Lamp ""] Damn, I haven't seen that video in YEARS... seriously forgot about its existence. Now if someone could find that flash video of the Peter Pan guy to the "we're in Washington" song, I'd love you forever. |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 6:28am - josh_hates_you ""] all this talk about metal heads....silly. If I had to classify myself as one it would be a pothead that likes some metal. I grew up on metal and hardcore but now listen to more johnny cash and tom waits than I do slayer or agnostic front. I like good bands no matter what genre. 95+% of EVERYTHING sucks. I mostly go to metal shows cause I cant stand most people at punk, hardcore, hip hop, indie, mainstream rock etc. shows. only being an anti social pothead hobby rocker elitist is real. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 6:49am - Boozegood ""] Lady GaGa and that "SEX IN THE AAIIRR AND I LIKE THE SMEELL OFF ITTT" song they always play on KISS108, or gtfo. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 14,2011 7:36am - Yeti ""] i'm guilty of metal elitism sometimes, but it's really nothing more than the ravings of an old man. i just miss the days when it took effort to find out about music, you found it through research and reading. so i felt that when you did find something you liked, you had a bigger kinship with it since it took effort to find. i feel that the "point and click" generation is kind of lost in the metal world, they are bombarded from every direction with countless new bands, and i don't think that gives them the ability to absorb and connect with it. i grew up as the sole metal person at my school, i had no friends into metal, i just read magazines and bought albums, and i developed a core based around it. i heard Master of Puppets when i was 12 in 1993, and i went on this journey to find as much metal as i could. i guess i just feel bad for this new generation, all they have to do is sign online and they can hear anything, anytime. maybe they have it better than i did growing up, who knows, but to me the joy was in the discovery, it made it personal. it's basically an Indiana Jones vs. Belloq situation. Jones loved it and found it, but Belloq stole it and called it his own. the fakery does run rampant, but i don't lose my shit over it. i'll joke about it, but overall i don't give a shit. listen to what sounds good to you. if it's ICP, then so be it. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 8:21am - arilliusbm ""] fuck being a metal elitist. only being an all out music elitist is real. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 8:22am - arilliusbm ""] ...which is why Berklee is the best school around. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 14,2011 8:25am - Lamp ""] Is there a serious collector market for music like this? If so, this will be my next wave of elitism. bennyhillifier |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 10:04am - conservationist ""] arilliusbm said:fuck being a metal elitist. only being an all out music elitist is real. Beethoven awaits. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 10:29am - arilliusbm ""] I'd argue that his 'moonlight sonata' is one of the best and most emotional pieces of music ever written. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 14,2011 10:35am - Yeti ""] Lamp said:Is there a serious collector market for music like this? If so, this will be my next wave of elitism. bennyhillifier a cat with a Pop Tart body who farts rainbows. huh. i hope those vocals are actually spoken in real time, i want to see the person that did it. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 10:43am - Randy_Marsh ""] arilliusbm said:I'd argue that his 'moonlight sonata' is one of the best and most emotional pieces of music ever written. :point: |
| __________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 1:32pm - ShadowSD ""] I always thought one of the key defining things that defined metal as unique and seperate from rock n'roll was that it's about the music first, not the social aspects. People who don't get that don't get metal... which I guess is the point this thread is making in a way, so that's cool. |
| ______________________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 3:04pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Apparently the outward social scaffold of metal in Central America involves getting offered weed when I wear a stoner metal band shirt and street merchants asking if I want to buy some coke when I'm wearing a Teitanblood shirt. I kind of wish I had a Dragonforce shirt just to see what kind of gay sexual favors it'd net me. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 14,2011 4:11pm - hlrie ""] I rarely post anything on here but I stumbled upon this thread and since I may be one of the oldest (ugh) veteran metal fans on here, and also a female (though more common now than it was when I younger) I may, or may not, have an interesting perspective on this topic. So the elitism thing is not a new phenomenon and in fact, in some ways it was worse in the 70's/80's then it is now. But then it was mostly metal vs. everything and everyone else and not as much elitism within the genre or scene or whatever you want to call it. This is partly due to how metal fans were exposed to the music and partly due to the times. It was totally a social thing. You had to know other metal fans to get to hear new metal. Tape trading was the thing back then as there was no internet or mp3's or cd's. You got into fan clubs and bands would mail out demo tapes. Only the big bands got their albums printed and sold in stores. This really reinforced the elite mentality. It was like being part of an exclusive club, and it was almost 100% a boys club. Any female fans had to get tough pretty quick and the guys would quiz you on your band/music knowledge constantly because you were a female and couldn't possibly understand what a riff was(we were just there for the guys amusement according to most of them or just a girlfriend). Since there were so few of us we were considered even more of an oddity then the metal fans as a whole. Anyway, it was totally a social thing then. Yes it was about the music but to get to the music you had to be part of the scene. I guess that means we were "hipsters" or "scene-sters" of a sort. When the mid/late 80's hair metal thing happened and metal went into the mainstream of music, then you saw real elitism within the metal community. "Fuck that Poison and Warrant shit! I only listen to Slayer and Merciful Fate!" Sadly, these things would turn into physical altercations more often then not solely based on musical tastes. The elitism is still out there and I think we "veterans" a partly to blame for this. I think we have handed down that mentality to the newer fans. Maybe inadvertently, maybe purposefully, but it is much more complicated and thankfully not nearly as heated as it was. The "good old days" of metal were not always as great as some think. It was a very violent and very hateful time but I know lots of people who tout it as being the only real metal years. Yes, there are still a lot of one genre people which is really sad but there are more and more people who are into music as art not just background music for life. And although there are a lot of bands re-hashing old ideas there are also a ton of amazing bands out there in metal and without the "newbies" a lot of that wouldn't happen. Like what you like and never apologize to anyone for it. You like Hatebreed? Great. You like Britney Spears? Great. Just because I don't should not make it less worthwhile for you. Without the mainstream art and music, you would never get a subculture of those rebelling against it, pushing boundaries and creating something interesting. Long winded old wench post is long. Oh yeah.... Juggalos? Fuck them. Haha |
| _________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 4:43pm - reimroc ""] i listen to metal because its edgy and cool and my mom hates it |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 4:45pm - arilliusbm ""] reimroc said:i listen to metal because its edgy you're straightedge now? /unfunny |
| _________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 4:46pm - reimroc ""] ba dum TSSSSHH |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 10:20pm - Conservationist ""] hlrie said:The elitism is still out there and I think we "veterans" a partly to blame for this. I think we have handed down that mentality to the newer fans. Either that, or they're just imitating it. Social posing is personal... elitism isn't. Elitists just want good music, and to exclude shitty music, because with shitty music come hordes of morons and they drown out the good stuff. |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 14,2011 10:57pm - thirdknuckle ""] Conservationist said: hlrie said:The elitism is still out there and I think we "veterans" a partly to blame for this. I think we have handed down that mentality to the newer fans. Either that, or they're just imitating it. Social posing is personal... elitism isn't. Elitists just want good music, and to exclude shitty music, because with shitty music come hordes of morons and they drown out the good stuff. but doesn't the term 'elitist' or 'elitism' imply 'looking down' on someone/something? thinking that you or your idea is quantifiably 'better' than someone elses? in other words: snobbery? conceit? arrogance? and isn't this why elitism is generally considered a bad thing? |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 15,2011 2:59pm - thirdknuckle ""] Conservationist said:Elitists just want good music, and to exclude shitty music, because with shitty music come hordes of morons and they drown out the good stuff. Elitists want/need to feel superior. To do this, they label others and their opinions inferior. Taste and opinion are not quantifiable, one person's taste or opinion cannot be superior to another's. Elitists aren't smarter than you, better than you, their opinions aren't more valid than yours. They just like to think they are. Let the people have their Slipknots, their Cradle of Filths, their Nickelbacks. Who cares if idiots like shitty music? How does that harm you or your music? |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 15,2011 3:01pm - ONTHESHIT ""] DAMN STRAIGHT WE ARE THE ELITE FUCK YOU ALL BOW TO US FEEL MY WRATH TUM, TU, TUM, TUM, TUMS NO ONLY PRILOSEC IS REAL |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 15,2011 3:33pm - Boozegood ""] thirdknuckle said: Elitists want/need to feel superior. To do this, they label others and their opinions inferior. Taste and opinion are not quantifiable, one person's taste or opinion cannot be superior to another's. Elitists aren't smarter than you, better than you, their opinions aren't more valid than yours. They just like to think they are. This is what people say when they get buthurt by 'elitists' without the 'elitists' actually ever saying or hinting at this. JUST SAYING. I think getting panties in a bunch over 'elitism' = the new elitism/hipster. |