Tom Araya (Slayer) is christian now?[views:8456][posts:74]______________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:15am - the_reverend ""] http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/22-christians-that-dont-suck/ I heard he pulled a mustaine, but wtf. |
| _________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:16am - MikeOv ""] the_reverend said: I heard he pulled a mustaine, but wtf. Is he skydiving yet, or what? |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:17am - Conservationist ""] He's been a Christian for like 15 years. |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:20am - FuckIsMySignature ""] he's also a shitty bass player |
| _______________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:23am - aril ""] Old fucking news. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:24am - Murph ""] Of that entire list, only 16 Horsepower get any cred from me. Sackcloth n' Ashes is AMAZING. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:25am - brian_dc ""] Low Estate and Secret South ftw |
| ______________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:30am - Yeti ""] Peter Steele did the same thing. |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:31am - FuckIsMySignature ""] as long as the music doesnt suffer i could care less about what people do or do not believe in |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:33am - the_reverend ""] "BLAHBLHABLAH GOD HATES US ALL BLAH BLHA BLAH BLAHBLHA BLAH. Alright guys, that sounds great... oh shit, I got to get to church!" |
| ______________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:34am - Yeti ""] agreed, though it was kind of disappointing on Dead Again when he wrote that song "These Three Things" about the religious implications of abortion. however that song rules, so no need to worry about it. |
| _________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:35am - MikeOv ""] Was surprised when Steele started "identifying" himself as a Roman Catholic. Of all people. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:35am - AUTOPSY_666 ""] FuckIsMySignature said: i could care less [img] |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:40am - arktouros ""] Yeti said:agreed, though it was kind of disappointing on Dead Again when he wrote that song "These Three Things" about the religious implications of abortion. however that song rules, so no need to worry about it. At the end I'll escort you to hell The dark one's forces Lock your flaming cell To murder the ones unborn The worst sin you've ever performed There are two other things I will tell Know them well With due respect Hear these words of caution If considering an abortion If you dig boiling sulphur To which I will not concur Leading to a path of misfortune No one won hmmmmmmmm.............. yep, i disagree with you pete, but that song still rules. |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:41am - FuckIsMySignature ""] Dwyer: Are you unfamiliar with what a figure of speach is? |
| ______________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:42am - Yeti ""] arktouros said: Yeti said:agreed, though it was kind of disappointing on Dead Again when he wrote that song "These Three Things" about the religious implications of abortion. however that song rules, so no need to worry about it. At the end I'll escort you to hell The dark one's forces Lock your flaming cell To murder the ones unborn The worst sin you've ever performed There are two other things I will tell Know them well With due respect Hear these words of caution If considering an abortion If you dig boiling sulphur To which I will not concur Leading to a path of misfortune No one won hmmmmmmmm.............. yep, i disagree with you pete, but that song still rules. haha yeah the lyrics are retarded, but its a 14 minute doom epic, and has some of the best sing-a-long parts on the entire album. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 11:20am - dreadkill ""] Murph said:Of that entire list, only 16 Horsepower get any cred from me. agreed. the rest of the list can fuck off. 16 hosspowah and woven hand are awesome. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 5,2009 11:22am - Murph ""] FuckIsMySignature said:Dwyer: Are you unfamiliar with what a figure of speach is? No one is, I don't believe. Many of us are familiar with a "figure of speech." |
| __________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 11:23am - brian_dc ""] HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME and what Dwyer is saying is that you got the figure of speech incorrect. It's a common error. But the figure of speech is "I couldn't care less." |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 11:29am - boblovesmusic ""] wait what about Trouble? They're generally awesome! |
| _________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 11:32am - MikeOv ""] Trouble rules. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 5,2009 11:36am - aril ""] Christianity needs to stay out of metal. PERIOD. |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 11:36am - Conservationist ""] FuckIsMySignature said:he's also a shitty bass player He's been a shitty bass player for twenty-five years. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 11:44am - dreadkill ""] aril said:Christianity needs to stay out of the world. PERIOD. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 11:45am - brian_dc ""] it would just be replaced with something that would turn out equally shitty so dreadkill said: aril said:Humanity needs to stay out of the world. PERIOD. |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 12:05pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] Murph said: FuckIsMySignature said:Dwyer: Are you unfamiliar with what a figure of speach is? No one is, I don't believe. Many of us are familiar with a "figure of speech." damnit. |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 12:06pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] brian_dc said:HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME and what Dwyer is saying is that you got the figure of speech incorrect. It's a common error. But the figure of speech is "I couldn't care less." .im officailly going too stop folowing, gramatical rools |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 12:06pm - dreadkill ""] brian_dc said:it would just be replaced with something that would turn out equally shitty so dreadkill said: aril said:Humanity needs to stay out of the world. PERIOD. agreed |
| _________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 12:24pm - MikeOv ""] ITT: Quoting. |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 12:26pm - AndrewBastard ""] Christ Illusion my ass! |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 12:27pm - the_reverend ""] MikeOv said:ITT: Quoting.you don't say |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 12:45pm - Murph MAST ""] GOD HATES US ALLLLLLLLLLL...EXCEPT FOR MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| ________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 1:11pm - RustyPS ""] I AM THE ANTI-CHRIST.....OR AM I |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 1:16pm - Conservationist ""] brian_dc said:it would just be replaced with something that would turn out equally shitty Somehow -- The smart Christians I know come up with a smart version of Christianity that doesn't bother me or cause stupid problems. The dumb Christians I know come up with a stupid version of Christianity that causes tons of stupid problems, bothering me. EUGENICS NOW, FOR A BETTER CHRIST |
| ______________________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 1:30pm - IllinoisEnemaBradness ""] Conservationist said: brian_dc said:it would just be replaced with something that would turn out equally shitty Somehow -- The smart Christians I know come up with a smart version of Christianity that doesn't bother me or cause stupid problems. The dumb Christians I know come up with a stupid version of Christianity that causes tons of stupid problems, bothering me. EUGENICS NOW, FOR A BETTER CHRIST the study of Eugene Levy? [img] |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 1:34pm - Murph MAST ""] Conservationist said: brian_dc said:it would just be replaced with something that would turn out equally shitty Somehow -- The smart Christians I know come up with a smart version of Christianity that doesn't bother me or cause stupid problems. Someone's "smarts" and their "Christianity" cannot, by fact, be ubiquitous terms, as Christianity as a doctrine and a historical movement is wholly inaccurate, being so far removed from anything remotely historically relevant, as well as actual first-century Christianity itself. Pauline Christianity, Coptic, Greek Orthodox, whatever, have not survived well enough to even be noted as Christian. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 5:50pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] Murph%20MAST said: Someone's "smarts" and their "Christianity" cannot, by fact, be ubiquitous terms, as Christianity as a doctrine and a historical movement is wholly inaccurate, being so far removed from anything remotely historically relevant, as well as actual first-century Christianity itself. Pauline Christianity, Coptic, Greek Orthodox, whatever, have not survived well enough to even be noted as Christian. Way to make a blanket statement. Some of the most intelligent people I know are Christians. Some of the dumbest I know are atheists. No one is jamming faith down your throat here, yet you can't resist any opportunity to bash these people. In what way are you NOT the asshole in this situation? |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 5:52pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] the_reverend said: I heard he pulled a mustaine, but wtf. Wow, where have you been? Newsflash, Tom Araya has been Christian for a long, long time. Dave Mustaine broke his edge, and Rihanna doesn't listen when her man be talkin to her! Anything else we can fill you in on? |
| ________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 5:56pm - sxealex ""] I think what he is trying to say is something like "flat earthists are stupid by nature because they believe the earth is flat". I dont agree but I do agree its a stupid belief. nawmean? smart people can have stupid ideas. |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 8:42pm - Conservationist ""] Murph%20MAST said:Someone's "smarts" and their "Christianity" cannot, by fact, be ubiquitous terms, as Christianity as a doctrine and a historical movement is wholly inaccurate, being so far removed from anything remotely historically relevant, as well as actual first-century Christianity itself. Pauline Christianity, Coptic, Greek Orthodox, whatever, have not survived well enough to even be noted as Christian. Yet the core beliefs -- the philosophy -- of Christianity still exists much as it did then. Smart people take smart ideas from religions, and orient toward those. Idiots gear themselves toward idiotic ones, and making them atheists won't change that. You cannot teach a 105 IQ person theoretical physics. If you do, you'll just get wrong answers. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 8:43pm - RichHorror ""] FuckIsMySignature said:as long as the music doesnt suffer i could care less about what people do or do not believe in LOL @ this. LOL @ every piece of shit since Seasons In The Abyss. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 9:29pm - goatcatalyst ""] [img] |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:11pm - neverpurified ""] Atheists are just as clueless as Christians/Mormons/Jews/Muslims/etc. as none of you have any clue as to whether or not there is or is not a god And Tom Araya's been a Catholic his whole life |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:16pm - the_reverend ""] ArrowHeadNLI said: the_reverend said: I heard he pulled a mustaine, but wtf. Wow, where have you been? Newsflash, Tom Araya has been Christian for a long, long time. Dave Mustaine broke his edge, and Rihanna doesn't listen when her man be talkin to her! Anything else we can fill you in on?obama-care and it's facist parts. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 10:46pm - chuck ""] chuck from death was a jew which is just as stupid as xianity since it is the great grandfaggoth of xianity... |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 11:15pm - immortal13 ""] Welcome to 1987 Aaron. |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 5,2009 11:19pm - Conservationist ""] the_reverend said:obama-care and it's facist parts. I thought he was supposed to be national socialist, not fascist. |
| ______________________________ [Nov 6,2009 2:45am - Murph ""] ArrowHeadNLI said: Murph%20MAST said: Someone's "smarts" and their "Christianity" cannot, by fact, be ubiquitous terms, as Christianity as a doctrine and a historical movement is wholly inaccurate, being so far removed from anything remotely historically relevant, as well as actual first-century Christianity itself. Pauline Christianity, Coptic, Greek Orthodox, whatever, have not survived well enough to even be noted as Christian. Way to make a blanket statement. Some of the most intelligent people I know are Christians. Some of the dumbest I know are atheists. No one is jamming faith down your throat here, yet you can't resist any opportunity to bash these people. In what way are you NOT the asshole in this situation? Um, if you read what I said, anyone is perfectly capable of being intelligent and Christian, just not that their intelligence is defined by their Christianity. By the way, your statement was as blanketed as mine. The day personal assumptions become truth is the day my toe had a tag on it, asshole. |
| ______________________________ [Nov 6,2009 2:48am - Murph ""] Conservationist said: Murph%20MAST said:Someone's "smarts" and their "Christianity" cannot, by fact, be ubiquitous terms, as Christianity as a doctrine and a historical movement is wholly inaccurate, being so far removed from anything remotely historically relevant, as well as actual first-century Christianity itself. Pauline Christianity, Coptic, Greek Orthodox, whatever, have not survived well enough to even be noted as Christian. Yet the core beliefs -- the philosophy -- of Christianity still exists much as it did then. Smart people take smart ideas from religions, and orient toward those. Idiots gear themselves toward idiotic ones, and making them atheists won't change that. You cannot teach a 105 IQ person theoretical physics. If you do, you'll just get wrong answers. The core beliefs of Christianity still exist? I could name dozens of brilliant scholars on both sides of the table to argue that point. I was not saying intelligence and Christianity go hand in hand, in either case, being a slight or a compliment. Intelligence and someone's beliefs are separate entities, sorry to disappoint. |
| ______________________________ [Nov 6,2009 2:53am - Murph ""] Murph said: ArrowHeadNLI said: Murph%20MAST said: Someone's "smarts" and their "Christianity" cannot, by fact, be ubiquitous terms, as Christianity as a doctrine and a historical movement is wholly inaccurate, being so far removed from anything remotely historically relevant, as well as actual first-century Christianity itself. Pauline Christianity, Coptic, Greek Orthodox, whatever, have not survived well enough to even be noted as Christian. Way to make a blanket statement. Some of the most intelligent people I know are Christians. Some of the dumbest I know are atheists. No one is jamming faith down your throat here, yet you can't resist any opportunity to bash these people. In what way are you NOT the asshole in this situation? Um, if you read what I said, anyone is perfectly capable of being intelligent and Christian, just not that their intelligence is defined by their Christianity. And just to be completely honest, aside from a rational discussion, I have no problem being an asshole to any Christian, ever. If you'd personally like to absolve hundreds of years of poor leadership, cultural destruction, and shoddy historical research, please do so. If not, don't judge, because growing up in America means growing up in a Christian society, and to be unhappy with the many mishaps and judgments I've had to deal with being a fervent anti-Christian, it is impossible to be wholly objective and clear. |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 6,2009 8:48am - Conservationist ""] Murph said:The core beliefs of Christianity still exist? I could name dozens of brilliant scholars on both sides of the table to argue that point. Non-sequitur: I can find dozens of brilliant scholars on both sides of the table to argue for it. The argument wasn't that beliefs define intelligence, but intelligence defines interpretation of dogma to result in beliefs. If you find any useful philosophy department, you'll see that people recognize how the essential beliefs of religions differentiate them -- and that's why we can still talk about Christian thought, Jewish thought and Buddhist thought, for example. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 6,2009 10:20am - Murph ""] Well, to say that intelligence defines interpretation of dogma which results in a type of belief system is to say that you can tell someone's intelligence based on the refinement or complexity of their beliefs? Pretty sure the core belief of Christianity at this point in time is Christ's divinity. At the time of the formation of Christianity, no one but Paul really tried to understand the myth in that way, nor wrote about it (unless we're talking about confused historical research, where most of the tales concern Attis, Adonis, Osiris, Dionisys...but are mistakenly attributed to revelations about Christ). In fact, depending on what present day Christian you ask, the divinity of Christ is still debated. We could debate this forever, honestly. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 6,2009 12:12pm - Hoser ""] You guys are retarded....who gives a fuck what the guy believes? |
| __________________________________ [Nov 6,2009 12:25pm - brian_dc ""] Well, at this point Murph and Conservationist are in a debate independent of Tom Araya or Slayer. I think it's safe to say that anyone who gives a shit that he's a Christian is foolish for still caring about Slayer. And Messianic religion stifles human progress. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 6,2009 12:45pm - Murph MAST ""] Murph said: ArrowHeadNLI said: Murph%20MAST said: Someone's "smarts" and their "Christianity" cannot, by fact, be ubiquitous terms, as Christianity as a doctrine and a historical movement is wholly inaccurate, being so far removed from anything remotely historically relevant, as well as actual first-century Christianity itself. Pauline Christianity, Coptic, Greek Orthodox, whatever, have not survived well enough to even be noted as Christian. Way to make a blanket statement. Some of the most intelligent people I know are Christians. Some of the dumbest I know are atheists. No one is jamming faith down your throat here, yet you can't resist any opportunity to bash these people. In what way are you NOT the asshole in this situation? Um, if you read what I said, anyone is perfectly capable of being intelligent and Christian, just not that their intelligence is defined by their Christianity. By the way, your statement was as blanketed as mine. The day personal assumptions become truth is the day my toe had a tag on it, asshole. The fact I called you an asshole after you insinuated I was being one makes me feel like a 3rd-grader. NO U AR. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 6,2009 12:54pm - Pires ""] SLAYER!!!!!!11111!!!!!1!!!!!11!11!1!!!!! METAL!!!!!11!!!!11!!!!!1!!!!1111!!!!!1111! |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 9,2009 11:52am - metal_church101 ""] Murph%20MAST said:GOD HATES US ALLLLLLLLLLL...EXCEPT FOR MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| ________________________________ [Nov 10,2009 12:01pm - Pires ""] bennyhillifier starts at 5:50. |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 10,2009 12:24pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] Sorry, Murph. Could you explain how my earlier statement was also a blanket statement? Also, to make an even MORE concise point: No Christian attacked you. Here, or the other thread. Sorry that christianity's past examples of the same frailty ALL human kind historically shares offend you so greatly, but it still doesn't give you a free pass to persecute them. That, in fact, is the same thinking you seem to be so against. For the record, I'm a satanist. I disagree with the christian code and roman catholic church as much as you do. I just don't feel the need to take pot-shots every time christianity is mentioned. Again, no one did ANYTHING to hurt you, you jumped in with the shit. YOU are an asshole here. I'm just hoping you can see it, identify it, and learn from it to avoid being an asshole next time. As I get older, I've found this method far more rewarding than just smacking someone in the mouth, long term. In the last few years I'm just getting tired of being/living with such intolerant assholes. |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 10,2009 1:29pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] U gais R still doing dis thred, LOL @ U |
| _______________________________ [Nov 10,2009 1:32pm - Pires ""] DestroyYouAlot said:U gais R still doing dis thred, LOL @ U after listening to the RTTP show, I figured I'd post the video where Tom Araya admits he's catholic. I could care less. Especially about the bickering between Arrowhead and Murph. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 10,2009 2:39pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] Pires said:Especially about the bickering between Arrowhead and Murph. I've posted twice. Murph is bickering with himself. |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 10,2009 4:42pm - Conservationist ""] Jesus and Satan: gay sadomasochistic lovers in Hell. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 10,2009 5:49pm - zyklon ""] Conservationist you're going to hell mothafucka! |
| _______________________________ [Nov 10,2009 6:26pm - Murph ""] ArrowHeadNLI said:Sorry, Murph. Could you explain how my earlier statement was also a blanket statement? Also, to make an even MORE concise point: No Christian attacked you. Here, or the other thread. Sorry that christianity's past examples of the same frailty ALL human kind historically shares offend you so greatly, but it still doesn't give you a free pass to persecute them. That, in fact, is the same thinking you seem to be so against. For the record, I'm a satanist. I disagree with the christian code and roman catholic church as much as you do. I just don't feel the need to take pot-shots every time christianity is mentioned. Again, no one did ANYTHING to hurt you, you jumped in with the shit. YOU are an asshole here. I'm just hoping you can see it, identify it, and learn from it to avoid being an asshole next time. As I get older, I've found this method far more rewarding than just smacking someone in the mouth, long term. In the last few years I'm just getting tired of being/living with such intolerant assholes. First off, you made a point using personal assumptions, ie. I know these people who are this way, so I can infer people are this way, therefore it matters. Guess what? It doesn't. I didn't say Christians cannot be smart people, just that it would be impossible to use one's "Christianity" as evidence of any kind of intelligence because it is so removed from an actual "Christian" creed, hence, NOT ACTUALLY CHRISTIAN (I guess one could give points for centuries of inventiveness...another argument, another time) which was arguing an OPINION presented by someone on this board (Conservationist). So, though it may have seem unprovoked, it was a challenge to a previous assertion. Second off, congrats on being a Satanist. Thirdly, I post on a messageboard, which is a sounding off board for ideas. I've made it obvious that I don't like Christianity. Why would I avoid voicing that feeling? Did I attack anyone personally (besides CTB, awhile back...who I have no problem with, and I think is mutual)? I live in a Christian society, and have fun arguing that in any way. I'm not intolerant, as I've yet to commit any crime against any person of an Abrahamic faith...my parents are Christians. I'm just someone who doesn't agree, historically, politically, socially...sorry. And thanks for the scolding life lesson, of me identifying my asshole-isms and trying to work on them in the future. I'm glad as you're getting older and wiser you're really identifying cases such as me and making a positive effort to re-efface my attitudes and behaviors. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 10,2009 6:27pm - Murph ""] ArrowHeadNLI said: Pires said:Especially about the bickering between Arrowhead and Murph. I've posted twice. Murph is bickering with himself. Sorry, Murph. Could you explain how my earlier statement was also a blanket statement? Also, to make an even MORE concise point: No Christian attacked you. Here, or the other thread. Sorry that christianity's past examples of the same frailty ALL human kind historically shares offend you so greatly, but it still doesn't give you a free pass to persecute them. That, in fact, is the same thinking you seem to be so against. For the record, I'm a satanist. I disagree with the christian code and roman catholic church as much as you do. I just don't feel the need to take pot-shots every time christianity is mentioned. Again, no one did ANYTHING to hurt you, you jumped in with the shit. YOU are an asshole here. I'm just hoping you can see it, identify it, and learn from it to avoid being an asshole next time. As I get older, I've found this method far more rewarding than just smacking someone in the mouth, long term. In the last few years I'm just getting tired of being/living with such intolerant assholes. UM, PRETTY SURE YOU'RE BICKERING WITH ME... |
| __________________________________ [Nov 10,2009 6:30pm - brian_dc ""] NUH UH! |
| __________________________________ [Nov 10,2009 6:53pm - revabee ""] homophone. |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 10,2009 8:45pm - Conservationist ""] Murph said:I didn't say Christians cannot be smart people, just that it would be impossible to use one's "Christianity" as evidence of any kind of intelligence because it is so removed from an actual "Christian" creed, hence, NOT ACTUALLY CHRISTIAN (I guess one could give points for centuries of inventiveness...another argument, another time) which was arguing an OPINION presented by someone on this board (Conservationist). This is as usual my fault. Let's try this take on it: Christianity is words in a Bible. A huge Bible. One that is meant to be approached from any angle and lead to roughly the same area. However, beyond that -- all bets are off. Let's switch from Christianity to Nietzsche. Also words, of a more recent vintage. Equally misunderstood. To dumb people, Nietzsche is a license to steal, fuck, cheat, lie and screw over other people. (Ayn Rand, you stupid fuck, I'm thinking of you here.) To smarter people, Nietzsche is more complex -- not appropriate to go into here, but for sake of argument, let's take that at face value. A dumb person will fuck up Christianity and Nietzsche the same way. A smart person will arrive at alarmingly similar conclusions. Let's take a concept -- "equality." To a smart person, this means meritocracy. We all start out the same, we do the same work, those who do good rise. To a stupid person, equality means subsidies for all of those who consummately fuck up, at the expense of those who don't. Hope this example helped. Apologies for the gratuitous use of the word fuck. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 10,2009 8:46pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] Murph said: UM, PRETTY SURE YOU'RE BICKERING WITH ME... AM NOT |
| ________________________________ [Nov 10,2009 11:59pm - Murph ""] Conservationist said: Murph said:I didn't say Christians cannot be smart people, just that it would be impossible to use one's "Christianity" as evidence of any kind of intelligence because it is so removed from an actual "Christian" creed, hence, NOT ACTUALLY CHRISTIAN (I guess one could give points for centuries of inventiveness...another argument, another time) which was arguing an OPINION presented by someone on this board (Conservationist). This is as usual my fault. Let's try this take on it: Christianity is words in a Bible. A huge Bible. One that is meant to be approached from any angle and lead to roughly the same area. However, beyond that -- all bets are off. Let's switch from Christianity to Nietzsche. Also words, of a more recent vintage. Equally misunderstood. To dumb people, Nietzsche is a license to steal, fuck, cheat, lie and screw over other people. (Ayn Rand, you stupid fuck, I'm thinking of you here.) To smarter people, Nietzsche is more complex -- not appropriate to go into here, but for sake of argument, let's take that at face value. A dumb person will fuck up Christianity and Nietzsche the same way. A smart person will arrive at alarmingly similar conclusions. Let's take a concept -- "equality." To a smart person, this means meritocracy. We all start out the same, we do the same work, those who do good rise. To a stupid person, equality means subsidies for all of those who consummately fuck up, at the expense of those who don't. Hope this example helped. Apologies for the gratuitous use of the word fuck. The problematic issues with Christianity here are varied and unique. For example, a two-fold issue with such BELIEFS are that...one, Baptist Christianity is true (in a historical sense, initial) Christianity, and the second, that Jesus was an Egyptian mystic embroiled in a dogmatic feud with Jewish and non-Jewish Messianic sects and leaders (including our friend that Baptist, so marginalized by biblical texts). Hence, historical accuracy has as much of a claim to curb a progression of accepted history as the opposite has an argument against a possible regression of ideals and cultural norms (what is "true" and "actual" might not work nor be relevant in today's world). Nietzsche is a dissimilar case because his role in history, while undetermined fully, is able to be coherently argued based upon the volume of work true to his nature (ie, his own work, printed "true" or "willing" to his taste). My view against using that particular faith (Christianity) in a dichotomous argument is that misunderstandings of history can undermine anyone using a mythos to create a moral/belief set. LUCKILY, moral traditions between cultural and spiritual codes at the time of the formation of both Christianity and Judaism have allowed for a synthesis between dogmatic creedence and accepted social cues/behaviors (meaning the religions carry tons of well-wrought, intelligent ideals in various forms, which most societies still praise). Islam, while not my forte, is decidedly more exclusive as its preservation deals with cultural forces still prevalent today. Hope that clears up my asshole-isms. C.R.E.A.M $$ y'all. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 11,2009 12:02am - Murph ""] Conservationist said: Murph said:I didn't say Christians cannot be smart people, just that it would be impossible to use one's "Christianity" as evidence of any kind of intelligence because it is so removed from an actual "Christian" creed, hence, NOT ACTUALLY CHRISTIAN (I guess one could give points for centuries of inventiveness...another argument, another time) which was arguing an OPINION presented by someone on this board (Conservationist). This is as usual my fault. Let's try this take on it: Christianity is words in a Bible. A huge Bible. One that is meant to be approached from any angle and lead to roughly the same area. However, beyond that -- all bets are off. Let's switch from Christianity to Nietzsche. Also words, of a more recent vintage. Equally misunderstood. To dumb people, Nietzsche is a license to steal, fuck, cheat, lie and screw over other people. (Ayn Rand, you stupid fuck, I'm thinking of you here.) To smarter people, Nietzsche is more complex -- not appropriate to go into here, but for sake of argument, let's take that at face value. A dumb person will fuck up Christianity and Nietzsche the same way. A smart person will arrive at alarmingly similar conclusions. Let's take a concept -- "equality." To a smart person, this means meritocracy. We all start out the same, we do the same work, those who do good rise. To a stupid person, equality means subsidies for all of those who consummately fuck up, at the expense of those who don't. Hope this example helped. Apologies for the gratuitous use of the word fuck. By the way, as much as we bicker like a couple of old cunts, our politics aren't that far off. Beers' to yo, bud. |
| ______________________________ [Nov 11,2009 12:07am - pam ""] That list does nothing to make the case for Christian bands. |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 11,2009 12:23am - DestroyYouAlot ""] [img] |
| ____________________________________________ [Nov 11,2009 12:26am - FuckIsMySignature ""] Jesus christ, why don't you come save my life, now Open my eyes, blind me with your light, now |